.NET Size of frame work? Im feeling worried!!

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:31 pm

Okay.
Well its not that i need something right now as i really dont have much time for programming but it interests me a bit.

ricardo · Post by **ricardo** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:59 pm

Karbon wrote:I think Rings said it best... If you're a hobby programmer, or someone that doesn't develop "business" software you can safely ignore all these posts

Thats a tricky argument!

.NET could be fine for *some* models, just thats, as any other professional programming model.

Edwin Knoppert · Post by **Edwin Knoppert** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:55 pm

For the ones who are interested to use dotnet with PB:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vbrun/vbfusio ... fault.aspx

It's fairly simple actually.
The .BAT file is your guide.
Tip: any path used in there might be wrong.

The so called 'wrapper' is just a custom piece of dotnet code.
So it doesn't need to have that name and functionality.
Wrapper does not mean that you'll have direct access to all objects in dotnet.
No, your wrapper code evt. accesses the dotnet features for you.
And therefore.. a wrapper.

Karbon · Post by **Karbon** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:06 pm

ricardo: Very true, very true.

Edwin: Interesting! Thanks!

techjunkie · Post by **techjunkie** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:20 pm

Here is one thing for you,

01, Install .NET Framework 2.0 beta
02, Uninstall .NET Framework 2.0 beta
03, Try to run ANY program that use .NET Framework (1.1 or 1.0)

04, Uninstall .NET Framework 1.1 (with all SP and updates)
05, Uninstall .NET Framework 1.0
06, Go to Windows Update to re-install all .NET Framework components
07, Try to re-install .NET Framework 1.0 manually
08, Try to re-install .NET Framework 1.1 manually
09, Remove %WINDIR%\System32\mscoree.dll
10, Start at 06 again and repeat until you succeed!

Edwin Knoppert · Post by **Edwin Knoppert** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:45 pm

Don't know what you are trying to tell.
It's known the beta(2) has install issues.
It's mentioned all over billies site.
Therefore beta...

Well folkes, it's almost out now.
I have waited ~half year and finally the new framework is almost out.
I never used .net 1.1 and i was determined to go for v2 directly.
Prob. many 1.1 users will have difficulty abandoning the code-in-webpage construction?

I like the code separated from the html in version2.

Sorry, i like the .net concept, maybe a little bit to much.
And i still don't mean VB.NET but ASP.NET

Shannara · Post by **Shannara** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:12 am

Luckily the code is seperated from the page in version 1.0 and 1.1 as well

But I do know of a few scripters who prefer scripting into the page, which is very bad.

Edwin Knoppert · Post by **Edwin Knoppert** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:01 am

Hmm, depends on what you mean.

1) Scripting.. javascript?
2) ASP.NET tags like <%=hello()%>, i find these super
3) What i meant like the page_load(), this part is seperated, afaik not in < v2 (?)

techjunkie · Post by **techjunkie** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:37 pm

This is a good tool!!

http://astebner.sts.winisp.net/Tools/do ... p_tool.zip

Hehe...

the.weavster · Post by **the.weavster** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:34 pm

When the transfer to linux begins in the future, you are as good as trash

Isn't this one of the reasons Microsoft created .NET, so they could invade other peoples platforms?

When there is a .NET framework for Linux, MAC etc... your VB.NET apps will go cross platform.

Programs written in VB.NET use the same objects and classes as programs written in C#.NET so will there be any discernable difference in performance?

Don't get so down on .NET, with a little refinement I reckon it could be the dogs brollies!

Karbon · Post by **Karbon** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:46 pm

the.weavster wrote: Isn't this one of the reasons Microsoft created .NET, so they could invade other peoples platforms?

Invade? Well doesn't that sound sinister

I guess you have to say the same about PureBasic, Java, PHP, Perl, Ruby and every other language that can create executables for non-Windows platforms.

When there is a .NET framework for Linux, MAC etc... your VB.NET apps will go cross platform.

I can only hope. However the desktop market is still mostly Windows, with it's closest competitor at less than %10 of the market. I'm not worried about other platforms just yet.

Programs written in VB.NET use the same objects and classes as programs written in C#.NET so will there be any discernable difference in performance?

No, there isn't and difference. In theory programs written in VB.NET or C# should compile to the same IL byte code and execute exactly the same.

Don't get so down on .NET, with a little refinement I reckon it could be the dogs brollies!

Indeed! I think it ias great as it is and has a lot of potential for future growth.

the.weavster · Post by **the.weavster** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:57 pm

Karbon wrote:Invade? Well doesn't that sound sinister

You have to make Microsoft sound sinister, it's obligatory.

Edwin Knoppert · Post by **Edwin Knoppert** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:15 pm

>When there is a .NET framework for Linux, MAC etc... your VB.NET apps will go cross platform.

Maybe but i guess not..
How would billy earn money, the FW is free.
The FW contains the compiler.

If people use linux, where is Windows?

Karbon · Post by **Karbon** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:23 pm

From the developers paying for Visual Studio

Edwin Knoppert · Post by **Edwin Knoppert** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:07 am

Oops, now you got me..