MS technology and its engineers | Genuine Validation - ERR!

PB · Post by PB » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:24 pm

I've got friends who used Microsoft's GenuineCheck.exe with pirated versions
of Windows 2000 Pro, with keygenned serials, and it said they were legit!

This leads to the conclusion that Microsoft doesn't know which W2K serials are
legit or not, ie. there doesn't seem to be any "white list" of them or anything.

Post by **Dare2** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:30 pm

Mate of mine bought a cheap PC with XP installed. When he went to windows automatic update it shut him down. (He says, I can't confirm).

Another dude I know came back with boxloads of CDs from Thailand. One suite was Office 2000. He installed it on his machine and on his wife's. His and his wife's was shut down (they are LAN and online through a router). Again, can't confirm.

But not so sure I believe it. Especially the Thai CD's, which probably had some very iffy stuff on some of the suits/apps.

I don't think they (MS) can willy-nilly shut down software on PCs because there might be a legit reason for an apparent piracy.

Is this correct?

PB · Post by PB » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:39 pm

I've never heard of Microsoft remotely shutting down people's PCs. As you
said, there's no confirmation, so I don't believe it for a second. There'd be
too many lawsuits against Microsoft if people lost data due to a shutdown.

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:53 pm

I think there aint white lists in the program but yes black list. its better to check if the current serial is in the black list than in the white list... plus, adding a white list to a program isnt a good idea. But, from another thought, the program might stream data to an MS server, that server might have the black list and do the comparisons then stream back to the client.

It could be possible that if the genuine update proggie shutted down your pc if your serial is in the black list... why not? they can do it - if you sue MS because you lost the pr0n movie you were downloading MS will be able to sue you because you're using an illegal version of their OS - and that might disable your sue... who knows, I believe MS has full rights of shutting down the OS if its confirmed that your serial is bad.

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PB · Post by PB » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:58 pm

What I mean is: if a virus (or other corruption) stuffed up your serial that's
stored in the Registry, and then you when to MS Update and it shut down
your PC because your serial wasn't "legit", and you lost that open document
you were working on for your boss, then Microsoft would get sued big time,
and they'd have no counter-sue because you do own Windows and the only
thing wrong was that a virus compromised your system. Microsoft cannot
afford to take that risk.

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:10 pm

True - But Currently how many viruses does this though? I dont remember reading about them - But its easy to corrupt that data indeed.

Hey if the doc was for your boss, why didnt you press CTRL+S every time you wrote a new paragraph?

(I do it all the time).

PB · Post by PB » Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:28 pm

Everything I said was just an example of a possible scenario.

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:34 pm

OF COURSE but as for now im asking if theres any virus that does that? just for knowing..

dracflamloc · Post by **dracflamloc** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:48 pm

dagcrack wrote:I believe MS has full rights of shutting down the OS if its confirmed that your serial is bad.
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Nope, they can't shut it down at least in the USA because you are "innocent until proven guilty". For all MS knows you could be the victim of a computer shop selling tons of pirated version of windows included on thier PC.

Of course the way things are going here in the USA I don't expect that to be true for very much longer...

Post by **Dare2** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:12 pm

Yeah, scary stuff happening.

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:30 pm

Advice: RUN!!

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:51 pm

dagcrack wrote:True - But Currently how many viruses does this though?

think like a virus writer. IF the os shut down if the serial is incorrect, it would be an easy way to screw up windows. So if it would shut down, there WOULD undoubtly be viruses that used this.

dagcrack · Post by **dagcrack** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:52 pm

The system that MS launched is fairly new - so not that many.

You guys sure this people that had their system shutted down didnt had a worm like the W32 blaster ? -_-

Post by **Dare2** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:22 pm

Well ...

The second guy came back with tons of "cheap" software from Thailand so my guess is he had something (intended or accidental) on one or more of the CDs. But he is sure that MS nailed him.

The first guy bought a very cheap comp and it shut down. Could be anything.

I thought MS sent the Piracy Patrol around if they figured there was something fishy. You know, Tall clean-cut guys that kick the door in, yell "Freeze!" and "Assume the Position!" (Or perhaps "Blue Screen!" and "Drop your mouse!")

Then they seize your hard disk, install pirated software and fine you $100,000 on the spot.

Num3 · Post by **Num3** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:57 pm

Erh...

Just use Miscrosoft KeyGenerator....

It can take a couple of days to generate a few valid keys, but they are all good