Phenomenon of low popularity PureBasic :?

[zxtunes.com]

Bad marketing?

I go to the nearest big computer shop and there I can buy BOX version Dark Basic, but didnt buy PB.

Whether I do not know it is possible compare PB and DB but it seems to me PB not less serious tool for development of programs than DB.

So why Fred nothing would do that PB became more popular or I am not right?

PureBasic it seems to me deserves of greater.

It is interesting what language now children study in shools?

For certain not C ++ and not ancient Q-Basic, probably it would be healthy to advance Pure Basic in educational system (schools).

Or at PB there are no chances versus Power-Free-Blitz-Dark Basics?

There is not a prejudiced analysis of all popular Basic compilers?

Fred have strategic plan developments PB?

[dobro]

Fred have strategic plan developments PB?

Fred does not have the time, he develops

[blueznl]

What might just be the ticket is this... you need to 'lead users into eternal damnation' by tempting them at an early age...

No need to use Playmates at this stage (except for breakfast, perhaps) but the idea is simple!

1. Create a simplified language that contains all the elements of PureBasic, with a very simple point and click interface, that is at the same time a game. (Logo, anyone?)

2. Create an intermediate version with more options. Put a very big link in that one to PureBasic's website.

3. Spread the demo version together with the aforementioned language variations to as many poor and unsuspecting victims as possible (think about schools, schools, and schools).

4. Once past the earlier stages of affliction some individuals might not yet be sufficiently infected, now this is where the aforementioned (I love that word, don't you?) Playmates come back into play. They will seduce the foolhardy characters, by promising certain... euh... 'advantages'...

5. Once our final victims have succumbed to the force of Pure, they will have forgotten all of those advantages, so that's the stage I will keep those aforementioned (ah, there's the word again) Playmates busy.

6. Meanwhile, Fred will get rich, and (after his occaisional visit to his dark cellar where Hasselhof provides some temporary distraction) he will code, code, and code a little bit more.

What a masterplan! I could use some sponsors... anybody interested?

[ricardo]

Bad marketing?

I go to the nearest big computer shop and there I can buy BOX version Dark Basic, but didnt buy PB.

Whether I do not know it is possible compare PB and DB but it seems to me PB not less serious tool for development of programs than DB.

So why Fred nothing would do that PB became more popular or I am not right?

PureBasic it seems to me deserves of greater.

It is interesting what language now children study in shools?

For certain not C ++ and not ancient Q-Basic, probably it would be healthy to advance Pure Basic in educational system (schools).

Or at PB there are no chances versus Power-Free-Blitz-Dark Basics?

There is not a prejudiced analysis of all popular Basic compilers?

Fred have strategic plan developments PB?

The problem is that for doing much marketing it needs a good amount of money and a team devoted to marketing (which is more money).
Small teams developing software will catch most likely casual visitors that get into the website and download/test/purchase the software (in this case PB).
Big companies dont rely on casual visitors, but a very big amount of money is needed.

However, optimization of website and some strategies make a better conversion rate from casual visitors.

[Inf0Byt3]

IMHO the thing is that Fantaisie Software is a small team, so mostly of Fred's and Freak's time are going in development. Secondly, they're humans . Marketing is a pretty hard thing to do and if you don't keep doing it then it's next to useless.

My idea to help them is to mobilize all developers around here to advertise PureBasic and show the world how wonderfull this language really is. As for short term marketing i suppose a website facelift wouldn't be bad at all.

[Character]

Is PureBasic really that low on popularity?
I don't know how many buyers PureBasic has (in total) or how accepted it is in the programming world.
Does Fred and his team really want to grow bigger?
Or do they like the way things are?
I have no clue at all...

For me as a non-professional/occasional/small amount donating, wannabe free-time programmer PureBasic serves all my needs.

But, I'm convinced PureBasic has a much higher potential.
It's a technical diamond in the desert... : beautiful, slim, logic, fast with great support forums 24/7.

PureBasic is a beast.

[Little John]

As for short term marketing i suppose a website facelift wouldn't be bad at all.

I agree. And a thing everyone of us can do is this:
Let's write good programs in PB, and mention in the About box and documentation that we used PB to write the program.

Regards, Little John

[Tipperton]

And put some kind of banner or graphic on your web site that says "Built with PureBasic" that links to the PureBasic web site.

[Rook Zimbabwe]

3. Spread the demo version together with the aforementioned language variations to as many poor and unsuspecting victims as possible (think about schools, schools, and schools).

As a former Computer Science (and Art) Teacher in Middle School... I want to point out that YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT FREE!

That was why we were using Chipmunk Basic in my lab.

{{ OTHER THOUGHT:}}:evil: And here come a whole new crop of idiots that wanna pwn MSN!!!

[Foz]

Wouldn't the demo with 800 lines of code be enough for schools?

[Rook Zimbabwe]

For 6th grade (11-12 year olds) it should... You have to teach an introduction to Computers there... most of the teachers are barely able to check their eMail... Teaching the Teachers how to program in BASIC is going to be difficult enough!

[Psychophanta]

Low popularity? I don't think so.
Everything is relative. Population don't like programming, moreover, to think is just a biiig pain for them

[PB]

> Is PureBasic really that low on popularity?

Only Fred knows that for sure. What anyone else says is totally useless.

We see this sort of thread from time to time. People come here and start
saying that PureBasic is unpopular, or doomed, or whatever. It's like they
think it's not going to survive for very long or something. But I've been
using it since 2001 (that's 7 years now!) and seen these type of threads
come and go. The language has been constantly updated in those years,
and still is to this very day.

So, what's all the worry about? Stop panicking and spreading false hope
that PureBasic is unpopular, because something unpopular doesn't survive
for almost a decade, and support three major computing platforms too.

On the flipside, I bought Visual Basic 5 Professional before I found out
about PureBasic. It's by Microsoft, and it no longer exists and has no
updates and isn't supported by Microsoft anymore. The world's biggest
software company decided its own language wasn't worth supporting.
Compare that to Fred's dedication to PureBasic. What do you say now?

[zxtunes.com]

> Is PureBasic really that low on popularity?

Only Fred knows that for sure. What anyone else says is totally useless.

We see this sort of thread from time to time. People come here and start
saying that PureBasic is unpopular, or doomed, or whatever. It's like they
think it's not going to survive for very long or something. But I've been
using it since 2001 (that's 7 years now!) and seen these type of threads
come and go. The language has been constantly updated in those years,
and still is to this very day.

All it so, I agree.

I use Pure Basic from 2004 year.

I do not speak that pure basic is not popular, I speak about that that at it a more potential which is used not completely.

There are many products less convenient and friendly than Pure Basic, for example mentioned by you Visual Basic.

Others Basics have the some advantage because are positioned as evolution Q-Basic (and have inherited syntax), and Q-Basic when that was very popular.

For example, we in Russia have many sites devoted Blitz and Dark Basic, and only 1 not a popular forum about Pure Basic. To it there are reasons. And I try to understand them.

p.s. Why that is primary so has developed that Pure is positioned as language for system programs while Blitz and Dark for creation of games, thus Pure loses many users. However long time Pure really had weak tools for creation of games. Now when set Wrappers is written and on PB begins possible to do games.

[Polo]

What Purebasic needs the most is a 'real' website.

I mean, not just a text-like win95 design just like what it is actually, if you just look at the dark basic & co websites, you'll see what I mean, and even though Pure is way much better than DB, they do sell much more.

I love Pure, the fact that it's a real compiled language, but it'd be better, for Fred, to make (or to have someone making) a new website...!