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Science is a strong activity, full of check, and redondancies. The author (me, Olli) is not a scientist. So, this subject is just a collection of hypothesis. The future will confirm certainly some expressions in this subject, maybe even the general idea, which is that the whole universe is inside a dark hole (black hole), will be confirmed. But I won't have links with the persons which work around this type of hypothesis.

My idea is born, only from the artistic picture of a quasar, published in 2011. My idea is not born from a math process. My idea is not born from a physical experiment. I (the author so) am able to write, and research math processes, but 30 years ago, not today (however...).

The scientists need lots of time to write and check their work. In a population, their often are the last, to be sure their work is the most right. So, if you do not find scientific articles, with scientific evidences, this subject, and its general idea are NOT REAL.

The goal of this subject, is artistic. It will terminate by one or any small programs.

What the science says : we cannot see anything over the distance of near 15 000 000 000 years-light.
What the science says : we cannot see anything behind the absolute black surface (named "events horizon") of a black hole.

If you want to discuss, or if you know any scientific links, you want to share, no problem. Same, if you see artistic pictures. In this way, RDV to the :
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Imagine a golf ball thrown towards the open window of a house. The bullet enters the house and smashes against the porcelain of the toilet bowl. If we extrapolate this image in astrophysics, then the golf ball can be a small black hole of a few hundred times the total mass of our universe. The toilet bowl is a black hole 300,000 times heavier than our universe. The house forms the horizon of events, this volume where nothing comes out, not even light. And our universe is a shard of porcelain that was flushed out of the toilet, but not out of the house. So our universe was thus born from the collision of two black holes of distinctly different masses. It is a shard that has moved away from the singularity, but risks, for sure, returning to the surface of this singularity, because the energy of the collision of the two black holes was not enough to free our universe initial. Thus our universe is imprisoned in the darkness which gave birth to it. This black hole, 300,000 times heavier than our universe, is close enough and powerful enough to deform space all around our universe, and attract us towards it, from all directions: this is the expansion of the universe. There is therefore a single point in the night sky which makes it possible to get rid of this total and fatal disappearance, on the condition that we travel faster than light. Does anyone have the contact details (numeric position, angles) ?

You seem to have some conflicting data present in your imaging.

You state that two black holes each contain more mass than the universe, one 100x and the other 300000x the mass of the universe. You propose that a collision between these black holes produces at least one 'shard universe' and that this shard does not escape the event horizon represented by the exterior surface of the house.

The shard cannot be the universe because it's mass would have to include the mass of the original black holes which were defined in their size as multiples of mass of the shard, even though they themselves are part of b the example universe. These circular definitions mean that your problem needs better definition, even just to be imagined.

Secondly everywhere within the even horizon would be dark. There is only light as you move closer to the black holes center of mass.

Third, it's all a bit depressing. Maybe a better question is, "Have you done any good in the world today?"

Demivec wrote:You state that two black holes each contain more mass than the universe, one 100x and the other 300000x the mass of the universe. You propose that a collision between these black holes produces at least one 'shard universe' and that this shard does not escape the event horizon represented by the exterior surface of the house.

Yes, the instantaneous t time when the initial energy has slow under the light speed c, was too early.

Did.. did you eat all the magical brownies?!

Nituvious wrote: Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:24 am Did.. did you eat all the magical brownies?!

I must not be the only one to be attributed with such a recipe!

I recall that the current scientific consensus proposes that the universe swelled by 10^26 times its size in the space of a Planck duration (10^(-33) seconds).

Forgive me for being modest, but I'm giving you things that involve maximum speeds less than twice the speed of light... (2c, not, as I cannot believe, a strange value as far more than 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 times the speed of light !!!)

And (general relativity) there is a point in the sky, which is the way to exit : in which constallation ?

My weak point in my hypothesis is the behavior of the neutrino.

In effect :

1.1) I suggest that physical genesis that young (~10^10 years) does not exist.
1.2) I suggest that dark matter does not exist.
1.3) I suggest that dark energy does not exist.

I substitute respectively as the following :

2.1) If there is a physical genesis, its age is far older (~10^100 years or more)
2.2) Dark matter is normal matter, but we cannot observe any atoms ! (or its components) Except these which are near (~1 meter maximum)
2.3) And dark energy is the effect of the toilet bowl...

Also, the real weak point is my scenario :

3.1) Two black holes, one collision
3.2) = A big source of neutrinos
3.3) Which become baryons

So, Demivec : it is the 3.2 my problem : I am unabled to prove the behaviours of the neutrinos which are the unique key to create our "initial" universe (this we know and observe).

I would like to add some elements of general relativity to refute the qualifier "depressive".

A "black hole", or "dark hole", more it's great, more there is the time.

One human generation finds lots of new physical characterics. Ten human generations, on the domain of the research in the future : I absolutely cannot imagine the technologic breakthrough !

But, this very big dark hole, whatever its mass won't destroy the humankind, I habe no doubt about this !

Because it is billions of human generations which will follow one another before the great final explosion, from our point of view, on a telluric planet like ours.

So here are some physical reminders...

1) From our point of view, the whole sky shows this dark hole. This dark hole is, by definition, an extreme attractor of energy, and therefore of information. So the black background of the sky is an enigma to be discovered.

1a) There is a point in the sky which represents its nearest face. And, almost at the antipodes in the sky, there is the "hidden face" of this dark hole, the face which is the farthest from us, behind this dark hole.

1b) Let's derogate from physics... If the planisphere of the Earth was drawn on this dark hole, outside the horizon of events, we would see the continents normally. If we penetrate the horizon of events, our entire sky would be lined with the lines of our continents: Africa, America, Asia, etc...

2) From an external point of view (out of the universe, and out of this big dark hole), the universe seems to be transformed to a spiral.

3) But from our "internal" point of view, we are not attracted by a single point : we are attracted by near all the points of the sky. It is a burst. It is a big virtual spheric form whom the radius is reducing from infinite to zero meter.

3a) And the speed of the final reducing when the radius reach zero meter is very very quick. No time to suffer.
source << We are surprised to discover that the universe is lost in an infinite void, and yet this void around one day will close, like a mouth that has finished yawning... >> (03/16/2022)
This scenario could explain why the quantic research finds an universe extremely dense, while we actually see vacuum mainly...

3b) And there is a point in the sky, I am sure, this point is the exit. Exactly like a small camera in a mouth : this camera can focus the point between the lips, the exit.

I would want to share a common equation through two equations.

--- 1 ---> The 1st equation is the maximum duration, depending of pi, G, M and c...

pi = 3.14...
G = Newton universal constant ((m/s)/s) Meters Seconds
M = dark hole mass

...This maximum duration that an object cannot overcome, when this object is in a dark hole (under the events horizon). --- 2 ---> The 2nd equation is the Einstein equation : E = energy

--- =? --->

curvature = 8 * pi * G * M * pow(c, -2) * E
curvature = 8 * pi * G * M * pow(c, -3) * c * E
curvature = 8 * Tmax * c * E

--- to conclude ---> The curvature of the universe is the eightfold of a cubic volume whom the size values are :

width = c the speed of light
height = E the univers energy
depth = Tmax the maximum duration of an object when this object is under the events horizon of a dark hole

This maybe demonstrates the link between a spiral volume and the curvature of the universe.I try to imagine how to draw a single-arm spiral : what it is sure, is the "hand" is drawless. The point positions, at this place, are imaginary.

And the surface of this arm is distorked to the singularity. If we are a point in this arm, all over us is nearer than the singularity. And I would say : whatever the point in the universe, the scenario over this point is the same.

Sources (french )
Einstein equation
Maximum duration of an object under the events horizon of a dark hole

@demivec

Thank you.

I think there is link, between the masses of the 3 objects (universe, little initial dark hole, great dark hole) and the 3 levels of energy of a neutrino.

I also think the speedness of the expansion of the universe is also linked to this.

Olli wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:48 pm I also think the speedness of the expansion of the universe is also linked to this.

I don't even know shit about prime numbers

Digging my spirit about of what is composed a dark hole, I progress. The truths are like knifes on bad plants. This allows to keep safe informations.

So, let's imagine two particles. They interacts themselves like that :If these two particles would enter inside the sphere of the horizon of the events of a dark hole, let's see how do they interact themselves then :The rays are more and more attracted by the mass of the dark hole. And no link, no interaction can exist anymore. Two particles which cannot interact themselves mean these particles stop to exist (they are converted to another small particles, or to rays).

It can be a resistive effect before being converted, like we are not destroyed by the space-time curve generated by the Earth. But if the curve is too powerful, all is destroyed.

This mean the sphere of the events horizon has a thickness, an altitude where an object can fall without being disintegrated immediately, but this level is far to be total between the altitude where nothing can leave a dark hole, and the singularity of this dark hole, last limit, where the light cannot pitch more.

Also, over the center, we have an electromagnetic singularity. Its size is unknown, because we do not know the maximum pitch of a light ray.

And far in the "altitude", we have the events horizon. It is a virtual limit where nothing can leave upper, even not the light. Why 'virtual' ? Because there is nothing, excepted a scientific certainty based from the maximum speed of whatever (the light speed) and from the value of the mass of a dark hole. This certainty, it is a threshold, an altitude, or a distance, where we are sure nothing can escape.

So, if a quark, a nucleon, an atom, or a molecule has a specific limit to resist to the space-time storm inside a dark hole, today we do not know the value of this limit.

What we know today, it is two ideas which can join themselves :
- this space-time storm is very regular. It is a constant acceleration.
- the atoms and others particles are very regular also.

Result : if we have any regular elements (atoms) in a regular environment (space-time), then we can talk about a second horizon in a dark hole. A second horizon where it only misses the accurate values to get its size. A second horizon which disintegrates everything to light.

Our universe is then like a person on the Earth, between the ozone layer and the ocean layer. A strangely acid ocean and without floor...

Our universe is said flat. To make simple, a cube-second stays a cube during one second. If this cube-second is measured during two seconds, so the size of this 2nd cube allows the two hyper-diagonals (of the 1st and the 2nd cube) to be equal.

But... If the infrared light of my body has not had the time to leave further than the tip of my nose (like the light of the universe did not reach more than 15 billions of years), how can I be sure to get the real measure of the whole Earth ? And how can we be sure to know the real environment of our universe ? And also, if my ruler and my compass are distorked depending of the place where I place them to get a measure, and if my ruler and my compass then take again their initial form, how can I be sure I measured rightly ? (I do not talk my Dalis clocks which fall behind as soon as my back is turned, and which return to the exact time when I look at them again !)

So... Flat or not flat, I am more seduced by a non-flat universe which do not let me the time to find other than the light to measure it...


Also (I m poor for the transitions !). A dark hole, the science allows me to know that from outside, we can only see its events horizon :We know there is, maybe on its center, an electromagnetic singularity :Its scales are crazy :such crazy that the scope is not enough. Let's cheat, let's stop to this : The singularity does not give us any evidences :If this dark hole is on the absolute diet (else it is the hell), we have a level where we have a little bit of time without being transformed to plasma : If we want to 'approach' to the real scales : Now, in the universe, it exists also the neutrinos.
It seems that the neutrinos are less affected by the gravitation (to be proved).
Nothing proves that they resist (to the disintegration) but if they resist, then there is a second singularity : If these neutrinos are destroyed, we go back to the last scheme : Anyway, whatever if they resist or not, if the neutrinos are less affected by the gravitation, than the light is affected by this gravitation, there is also a "neutrinal" events horizon : Small recall of science : we know only what it is outside of the dark hole from outside this dark hole... (two events horizons : electromagnetic and neutrinal)
.... and we know only what it is inside of the dark hole from inside this dark hole... Now, Stephen Hawking learnt us the dark holes lost their mass by a strange event. For not to loose ourselves in "my" hypothesis, let's forget the neutrinal events horizon, and let's locate our universe in our hypothetic global dark hole... (* = our universe)
... and let's zoom to the "normal" events horizon : ... Now, let's add the Hawking rays... ... As we can see, we have UFOs which go to the left (to the center of the dark hole), and anti-UFOs which go the right (to the far).

Let's forget the UFO which leaves to the far. And let's be insured that "UFO" is just ironic to define a particle which starts a very long travel... ... from the events horizon, a very long fall, a very long acceleration, through a very long distance of any thousand of billions years-light... ... before meeting our universe... .... and perhaps meet our galaxy, and cross our real atmosphere.

Here is a hypothetic idea of the origin of these things described here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osvOr5wbkUw

Olli wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:26 pmImagine a golf ball thrown towards the open window of a house. The bullet enters the house and smashes against the porcelain of the toilet bowl.

The ball became a bullet? What?

uh? You are awaken ? I just terminated !

BarryG wrote:The ball became a bullet? What?

That's nothing that : just Google Translate IA which is sometimes fed up !

Oh, right. Didn't realise you were using Google Translate.

If I have the time, when I cannot translate, and when I cannot find a word in the lexical neighborhood, I use Google Translate, word per word, and, sometimes, expression per expression.

If I have no time, I use Google Translate, sentence per sentence.

I miss, not to tell you on the fly, by a typography markup, as underline, in example.

If a keen (off topic humour) has explanation about the several grammatical times in the english language, I am interested !