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Please stop asking for the same thing over and over. It is getting annoying.

LuCiFeR[SD] wrote:Heartbone.... for once I am not gonna come out with something intended to annoy you, but an ice cold fact. The priority system with PB bug fixes is pretty simple. If the masses grumble, it gets fixed quickly. if it is just one or two people it affects, it will be left to rot unless it is a very easy fix. And in no way am I showing any disrespect to the PB team here with that statement... or even to you heartbone.

The fact of the matter is the majority will always get priority. Linux or OSX is not "top priority" . Windows will always get the most love and attention as that is where most of the paying users are, and I sincerely wish it was not the case. I've reported bugs and had them verified as bug and 3 years later they are still there! But alas, this is just one of those things... unless everybody jumps on the bandwagon so to speak and complains that X,Y,Z bug is a problem... it will just fall through the cracks in the floorboards. Not everybody writes games, or needs sprites or needs screenmodes to be changed on the fly.

Rescator wrote:You may not have noticed this but Fred (and Freak) has said in the past that feature parity is one of the main goals for the PureBasic cross-platform releases.

langinagel wrote:As Fred already asked: what is actually the bug?

And from my tiny experience just the comment:
OK, not all really necessary libraries are checked by the checkinstall.sh script. If you have further special need on audio, video and other special functions, install all libraries of the marked SDL, GTK2 , whatever-series. Then check back, what is left.

If you are annoyed that function parameters do not have the same interpretation as in windows, write a macro / compilerif.

And if you think you might find a better Linux + Windows compiler try whatever Basic or other language. There are many claims but few evidence around.
The problem with the bug handling is depending on the crowds behavior? Well, there IS at least a remarkable bugfixing for Purebasic. I tried other Basics where the shop seemed to be the only living part.

; ********************************
; ***** COORDINATE DISPLAYER *****
; ****** September 10, 2014  *****
; ********************************
Global FULL
STARTINFULL= 0  ; =0  START PROGRAM IN WINDOWED MODE, =1 START PROGRAM IN FULL SCREEN MODE

Procedure CLEARQUESC()
; EMPTIES XEVENT QUEUE AND RETURNS 1 WHEN ESCAPE KEY IS PRESSED
   ESCAPE= 0 : ExamineKeyboard() : If KeyboardPushed(#PB_Key_Escape) : ESCAPE= 1 : EndIf
   If Not FULL
      Repeat 
         X= WindowEvent() : If X = #PB_Event_CloseWindow : End : EndIf   
      Until X = 0   
   EndIf   
   ProcedureReturn ESCAPE
EndProcedure

Procedure GETOFFKEY()
; EXECUTION STAYS IN THIS PROCEDURE UNTIL USER RELEASES ALL KEYBOARD KEYS
   ONKEY= 1  
   Repeat
      Delay(20) : CLEARQUESC() : ExamineKeyboard() 
      If Not KeyboardPushed(#PB_Key_All) : ONKEY= 0 :EndIf         
   Until Not ONKEY
EndProcedure

; MAIN LOOP INITIALIZATION 
LoadFont(1,"Arial",19,#PB_Font_Bold|#PB_Font_HighQuality)
#FLAGS= #PB_Window_ScreenCentered|#PB_Window_MinimizeGadget
; SETUP DEVICES 
InitSprite()
If STARTINFULL
   FULL= 1 : OpenScreen(800,600,32,"SOFTWARE") 
   SPACMES$= "PRESS THE SPACE BAR FOR WINDOW"
Else    
   FULL= 0 : OpenWindow(0,0,0,800,600,"SOFTWARE",#FLAGS)
   OpenWindowedScreen(WindowID(0),0,0,800,600,#True,0,0)
   SPACMES$= "PRESS SPACE BAR FOR FULL SCREEN"
EndIf
InitKeyboard() : InitSound() : NUMJOY= InitJoystick() : JX0= 0 : JY0= 0
; END DEVICE INITIALIZATIONS, INITIALIZE INTERFACE CONTROL VARIABLES
MX= 799 : MY= 599 : PX= Random(MX) : PY= Random(MY)
BYEBYE= 0     ; PROGRAM WILL END WHEN BYEBYE IS SET
SPACMES= ElapsedMilliseconds()+ 5000   ; DISPLAY WINDOW TOGGLE MESSAGE FOR FIVE SECONDS
ACC= 200 ; INITIAL CURSOR MOVE DELAY 
Repeat ; THE PROGRAM'S MAIN LOOP STARTS HERE
   RELEASE= ElapsedMilliseconds()+ ACC   ; LIMITS LOOP SPEED TO 5 Hz
; GATHER THIS LOOP ITERATION'S USER INPUT STATE VARIABLES FROM SYSTEM 
   ExamineKeyboard()
   If NUMJOY : ExamineJoystick(0)
      JX0= JoystickAxisX(0,0,#PB_Absolute) + JoystickAxisX(0,1,#PB_Absolute) + JoystickAxisX(0,2,#PB_Absolute)
      JY0= -JoystickAxisY(0,0,#PB_Absolute) + JoystickAxisY(0,1,#PB_Absolute) + JoystickAxisY(0,2,#PB_Absolute)
   EndIf  
; PROCESS USER INPUT           
   If KeyboardPushed(#PB_Key_Escape) : BYEBYE+ 1 : EndIf  ; EXIT PROGRAM UNCONDITIONALLY WHEN USER PRESSES ESCAPE   
   If KeyboardPushed(#PB_Key_Space)    ; TOGGLE WINDOW
      GETOFFKEY() : CloseScreen() 
      If FULL
         FULL= 0 : OpenWindow(0,0,0,800,600,"SOFTWARE",#FLAGS)
         OpenWindowedScreen(WindowID(0),0,0,800,600,#True,0,0) : CLEARQUESC()
      Else 
         FULL= 1 : OpenScreen(800,600,32,"SOFTWARE")
      EndIf
   EndIf
; HERE COORDINATE THE ARROW KEYS/GAMEPAD TRACKING 
   UP= 0 : RIGHT= 0 : DOWN= 0 : LEFT= 0  
   If KeyboardPushed(#PB_Key_Up) Or (JY0 = 1) : UP= 1 : EndIf
   If KeyboardPushed(#PB_Key_Right) Or (JX0 = 1) : RIGHT= 1 : EndIf
   If KeyboardPushed(#PB_Key_Down) Or (JY0 = -1) : DOWN= 1 : EndIf
   If KeyboardPushed(#PB_Key_Left) Or (JX0 = -1) : LEFT= 1 : EndIf
   If UP+RIGHT+DOWN+LEFT > 0 
      RELEASE= ElapsedMilliseconds()+ ACC
      If ACC > 20 : ACC-20 : EndIf
      If UP
         If PY > 0 : PY-1 : EndIf 
      Else
         If DOWN
            If PY < MY : PY+1 : EndIf
         EndIf
      EndIf
      If LEFT
         If PX > 0 : PX-1 : EndIf 
      Else
         If RIGHT
            If PX < MX : PX+1 : EndIf
         EndIf
      EndIf
   Else 
      ACC= 200
   EndIf
; EMPTY EVENT QUEUE ONE LAST TIME BEFORE GRAPHICS CONSTRUCTION
   CLEARQUESC()    
; POPULATE THE 800x600 SCREEN BASED ON PX, PY POINTER VARIABLES 
   StartDrawing(ScreenOutput()) : DrawingMode(#PB_2DDrawing_Transparent) : DrawingFont(FontID(1)) 
   Box(0,0,800,600,$111144)
   DrawText(40,40,"(0,0)",$8888FF) : LineXY(40,40,0,0,$8888FF)
   DrawText(40,530,"(0,599)",$8888FF) : LineXY(40,560,0,599,$8888FF)
   DrawText(675,40,"(799,0)",$8888FF) : LineXY(752,40,799,0,$8888FF) 
   DrawText(650,530,"(799,599)",$8888FF) : LineXY(760,560,799,599,$8888FF) 
   Box(250,225,275,110,$000000)
   DrawText(275,250,"Pointer's X @ "+Str(PX),$8888FF)
   DrawText(275,280,"Pointer's Y @ "+Str(PY),$8888FF)
   If ElapsedMilliseconds() < SPACMES : DrawText(145,530,SPACMES$,$333377) : EndIf
; MAKE CROSSHAIR POINTER
   If PY > 10 And PX > 0 And PX < 799 : Box(PX-1,PY-11,3,10,$FFFFFF) : EndIf
   If PY < 589 And PX > 0 And PX < 799 : Box(PX-1,PY+1,3,10,$FFFFFF) : EndIf
   If PX > 10 And PY > 0 And PY < 599 : Box(PX-11,PY-1,10,3,$FFFFFF) : EndIf
   If PX < 789 And PY > 0 And PY < 599 : Box(PX+1,PY-1,10,3,$FFFFFF) : EndIf
   StopDrawing() : FlipBuffers()    
; LOOP SPEED LIMIT 
   If ElapsedMilliseconds() < RELEASE 
      Repeat : Delay(2) : Until ElapsedMilliseconds() > RELEASE
   EndIf
Until BYEBYE
End

Kuron wrote:heartbone: I can understand your frustrations. Unfortunately, if you want a BASIC for Linux, there are not a lot of options out there, especially for games. You really only have PureBasic and BlitzMax, and for both languages, Linux is the weakest link for reasons others have stated in this thread.

heartbone wrote:I do not believe the reasons as posted in this thread are technically valid.
If financial factors are truly involved in the tech support prioritization, then Linux is likely doomed to perpetual poor support.

LuCiFeR[SD] wrote: I genuinely could not and still cannot understand the fucked up logic to change that command after all these fucking years! It wasn't broken before....

LuCiFeR[SD] wrote:

heartbone wrote:I do not believe the reasons as posted in this thread are technically valid.
If financial factors are truly involved in the tech support prioritization, then Linux is likely doomed to perpetual poor support.

There are more people who are vocal about bugs in windows than there are with linux or OSX. It is purely down to volume of complaints per platform and the complexity of the fix.... nothing to do with money. You see... it's like I said to you before... When a bug is reported if only you and I suffer from it and nobody else verifies it for whatever reason (They may not write games... they may only write applications and do not want to waste their time running your example) Fred isn't exactly going to jump up and down and think "Show stopping bug". He'll just stick a post it note on his monitor and get to it if he remembers . now if a hundred people start complaining and saying "HEY! this isn't working!" this is more likely to be dealt with in a timely manner.

One of the biggest problems with PureBasic... well, its not so much the language or the programmers, but "WE" the users of said language... Most people will not bother with the beta's, they'll sit back and wait until it goes final. They don't want to report bugs, they would rather sit back and let other people do it for them. But the fatal flaw to this is serious bugs get missed. The amount of testers do not really cover the whole range of commands or all of the platforms the language caters for... and then a handful of us who like to go the extra mile and push the language find some show stopper(for us)... but it falls on deaf ears because we are a minority.

But in fairness to people not testing... I can understand their reluctance to participate. especially when an update can break your program(s) you have been working hard on for god knows how long. sometimes the changes are easy enough to digest. .. but on other occasions (Which made me tear my hair out for more hours than I care to think about) was changing the way (x)includeFile "" works! I genuinely could not and still cannot understand the fucked up logic to change that command after all these fucking years! It wasn't broken before.... but when you have several hundred includes which you rely upon which are shared by more than one version of the compiler. which also maybe linked to other includes in various projects.... it just becomes an epic fucking ballache. So I for one will not be going beyond the 5.2x version of PureBasic.

Sorry for going off at a tangent there heartbone. Not trying to disrupt your thread

Regards,
Ash.

Kuron wrote:Heartbone: Like Ash alluded to, it is not just that Linux gets second fiddle, but with a multipurpose language like PureBasic, the gaming side doesn't get as much attention as the application side does. That is not unique to PB. Those of us wanting to use PB for games are in the minority. When I use PB for contract work, it is all apps and I 100% use PB commands.

Personally, with game related stuff, I either use a third-party game engine with PB or I write my own and do not use the native PB gaming commands.

Fred wrote:Did you reported misbehaviours in the linux bug forum ?