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Has anyone checked out the new Delphi XE2?
http://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

"Embarcadero® Delphi® XE2, now with FireMonkey™, is the fastest way to deliver ultra-rich and visually stunning native applications for Windows, Mac and iOS – including 64-bit Windows applications."

I would seriously consider Delphi if they didn't drop linux support. XE2 does look interesting beside that (to me) serious flaw.

They promise to support more platforms over the next 5 years including Linux, Android, etc.

The price of the pro version is somewhat out of my range!

my tip: Lazarus (IDE for FreePascal). Open Source.
Crossplatform for all important OS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_(IDE)

Greetings ... Kiffi

I tried to get into Delphi once, but damn... Lazarus didn't make it any easier on me.

Again with the whole non-MDI thing, that and it was a little hard to get used to the way certain things had to be done.

The pricing is rather high but if they eventually also support Android AND Linux, in addition to what they support today: 32bit and 64bit Windows, OS X and iOS ... would it be worth it?

USA pricing:
http://shop.embarcadero.com/dr/v2/ec_Ma ... CACHE_ID=0

I hadn't looked at Lazarus before, it seems quite professional and well done. I used to use Delphi starting with 2 and stopped after 7. This seems very similar to Delphi 7 as I remember it.

Does Lazarus require a large runtime be distributed with an application?

Afaik none.

USCode wrote:Does Lazarus require a large runtime be distributed with an application?

Lazarus (which uses FreePascal as compile engine) has problems with the size
of its binaries and FreePascal gives infos to explain this and tips for reducing
the size of its binaries:
http://wiki.freepascal.org/Size_Matters

When I decided to switch my commercial development to Purebasic from the system I used before I looked at a few systems:
Java - works on different platforms, ugly, slow as hell, bloated code and unsafe binaries (easy to reverse code)
Realstudio - Application system heidelberg should have credit for everything they done on atari but to complicated for me
Delphi - even slower than Java and the UI's everyone was making was giving me a migraine (look at http://www.jed-software.com/images/Ribb ... alTabs.png - all those scales and shit.. bah)
Purebasic - fast as hell - flexible - create minimal binaries - cross platform and fitted me perfectly. A bit to many people complaining about death in the forum, but besides that the best thing since someone invented beer a long time ago.

Bottom line. Talking about Delphi is really off topic... but its just ugly, slow and causes migraine.
Purebasic is the best, the sooner you realize that the better for man kind.

jesperbrannmark wrote:Purebasic - fast as hell - flexible - create minimal binaries - cross platform and fitted me perfectly. A bit to many people complaining about death in the forum, but besides that the best thing since someone invented beer a long time ago.

That's why I like PB, fast and small. It lacks some features and has some bugs on the Mac, but it's still the best out of anything already existing

I think Delphi has always been a respectable product, I just never liked the IDE. However, reading in-between the lines, if your app is to be fully commercial, you will have to buy the Professional License sooner or later - very steep price.

Java - works on different platforms, ugly, slow as hell, bloated code and unsafe binaries (easy to reverse code)

Purebasic - fast as hell - flexible - create minimal binaries - cross platform and fitted me perfectly.

I assume the Java's HELL is for devils but PB's HELL is for humans or vice versa if you consider devils are moving from place to another instantly

Delphi - even slower than Java and the UI's everyone was making was giving me a migraine (look at http://www.jed-software.com/images/Ribb ... alTabs.png - all those scales and shit.. bah)

I must disagree here...Delphi is one of the best, fastest (in both execution and productivity) and let me say, 'easiest' programming language around.
Do not get me wrong PB is amazing but Delphi is amazing too and each one has its cons and pros.