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Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:14 pm
by weavster
I've just stumbled across this:
http://www.morfik.com/#news/2010/November
It's got a really nice IDE with auto-completion etc... and you can use it to create web sites using a VB like syntax.
Pascal and C# versions are also available.
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:57 pm
by codewalker
Looks interesting, thanks for the link. I code websites in any way I want with PHP5 and MySQL.
Simple question : can Morfik do anything more ? If it only compiles your websource code to
a plain mix of ccs, java, xml, etc, etc, then you go back in time when websites were designed
instead of being programmed in (php) code.
cw
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:07 pm
by Zach
Seems pretty capable to me. Seems similar to Ruby on Rails for web development
http://wiki.morfik.com/wiki3/Whats_New
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:34 pm
by Rook Zimbabwe
It does seem to have issues with both widescreen and if you have your favorites bar stuck to the side of the browser window like lazy old me!
But still... I plan on playing with it soon... I usually just use HTML anyway... old fashioned I know... but wheeee!!!
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:10 pm
by codewalker
I found this on wiki :
not allowing developers to access CSS stylesheets for the sites they are creating and not producing an application
which could have clean and meaningful URLs.
it aims at software developers not web developers: Some say that Morfik's emphasis on coding in an object-oriented
language such as Object Pascal or C# instead of directly coding in JavaScript significantly under-utilizes the skills
and knowledge of existing web developers, the vast majority of whom are far more skilled in CSS, HTML and JavaScript
than in Java. Morfik however, chose to focus on the traditional desktop and client/server software developer.
Creating web applications in a manner that is akin to win32 applications, (for example, if deploying onto a Windows-based
server, the web application is output as a .exe file. This makes it hard for many businesses to use their existing web
hosting packages to host a Morfik-created web application.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morfik
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:13 pm
by weavster
codewalker wrote:Looks interesting, thanks for the link. I code websites in any way I want with PHP5 and MySQL.
Simple question : can Morfik do anything more ? If it only compiles your websource code to
a plain mix of ccs, java, xml, etc, etc, then you go back in time when websites were designed
instead of being programmed in (php) code.
cw
I don't mind the PHP and JavaScript, it's really the HTML and CSS I want to avoid getting bogged down in. I've not really done any web stuff but I have used Gnome Seed and PHP-Gtk so I know I like the two scripting languages.
Now I've found this:
Qooxdoo which pretty well eliminates the HTML / CSS bit as it enables you to define your interface in JavaScript and then you can just apply themes for the styling.
What I really want to do is design the client side of my web app entirely in JavaScript and just get my PHP files to return JSON objects rather than web pages, I guess that's doable isn't it?
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:19 pm
by Nituvious
I hate javascript with a passion!!
If this allows me to avoid it when it is required(html5...) then I'd definitely use this!
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:37 pm
by weavster
Nituvious wrote:I hate javascript with a passion!!
I would prefer to be able to do both client and server side in Python but PHP & JavaScript's not so bad.
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:55 pm
by Trond
What I really want to do is design the client side of my web app entirely in JavaScript and just get my PHP files to return JSON objects rather than web pages, I guess that's doable isn't it?
It would be a stupid thing to do.
1.
About 1.3% of users have JavaScript turned off. What would it do to your company's reputation if the helpdesk and sales phone lines answered 1.3% of your potential or current customers with "fuck off"? Basically this is what you're doing with such a website.
2. Search engines won't be able to index your page. How do you expect to get traffic?
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:22 pm
by weavster
Trond wrote:What I really want to do is design the client side of my web app entirely in JavaScript and just get my PHP files to return JSON objects rather than web pages, I guess that's doable isn't it?
It would be a stupid thing to do.
1.
About 1.3% of users have JavaScript turned off. What would it do to your company's reputation if the helpdesk and sales phone lines answered 1.3% of your potential or current customers with "fuck off"? Basically this is what you're doing with such a website.
2. Search engines won't be able to index your page. How do you expect to get traffic?
What I want to make is an internet accessible app for specific users, it's not for general consumption so in this instance the fact search engines are unlikely to pick it up would actually be an additional benefit.
I think you're being a bit melodramatic anyway, to answer your points:
1. By default I have JavaScript turned off (I have FireFox with NoScript installed), if I go to a website that requires it they usually just show a polite message saying so and if it's the site of a reputable company I turn it on. No big deal, I've never taken it as 'f**k off'.
2. There has to be one HTML page which is required to load the script in the first place so surely I could just put any phrases I want the search engine to find in that.
I confess I don't know much about web stuff but how do web sites where pages are generated on the fly from databases (like Amazon) get indexed by search engines?
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:38 am
by mskuma
I downloaded & tried this tool. I tried a very basic tutorial. I found the IDE is a bit buggy & inconsistent. What turned me off was - at a certain stage of the tute, I could not get it to build anymore. It was comical - I pressed the build button, but nothing would happen. For a v3 product, I was quite amazed. There's a massive amount of bad sentiment on the forums about the new business model & lack of support. It's a shame really because I wanted it to work for me, and on the surface it looks like a world-beater app for its niche.
PB ought to consider a compiler for the web - it seems to be a new direction (allowing software developers to build web apps using familiar langs & tools, instead of having to learn HTML/javascript/CSS.
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:08 am
by the.weavster
mskuma wrote:PB ought to consider a compiler for the web - it seems to be a new direction (allowing software developers to build web apps using familiar langs & tools, instead of having to learn HTML/javascript/CSS.
REAL Software are making a web edition of REALbasic.
Re: Morfik - create web sites in BASIC (and it's free!)
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:12 pm
by IdeasVacuum
For those that do not want to learn HTML, CSS, Javascript etc there are already some very good apps dedicated to the cause.
Take a look at Serif WebPlus for example. It has a simple, graphical interface and for most small/medium sized businesses it is more than adequate.
http://www.serif.com/webplus/