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128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:14 am
by X
Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:03 am
by Thorium
Is there even a 128bit x86 CPU existing

I mean 64bit is pretty young for x86, if you consider how long it takes until it is used by the main stream.
Think about how long 32bit was existing befor it became main stream. x86 got 32bit on the 80386 CPU.
And think about 64bit. There are still many users with 64bit CPU's but only using a 32bit OS.
I don't think we should worry about 128bit for now.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:23 am
by Kaeru Gaman
128-bit windows 8?

NEVURR!
32bit is there till Win95, and of Vista there are still 32bit versions...
so, what do you think how many versions it will take to offer the first 128bit OS?
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:51 am
by IceSoft
Kaeru Gaman wrote:128-bit windows 8?

NEVURR!
32bit is there till Win95, and of Vista there are still 32bit versions...
so, what do you think how many versions it will take to offer the first 128bit OS?
You are so right. But this only a statement like: AmstradCPC is still an 8bit machine.
Yes it is...but there are also the possibility to install XP/Vista/Windows7/Linux, etc.. as a 64bit OS variant.
So: You are right with your statement...but this is not the whole truth!
Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:23 am
by Rings
afaik,
my dualcore has 128 bits cpu-registers together,
only the Hyper-Link between the High&Low RX is
disabled for now.

Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:44 am
by Thorium
Rings wrote:afaik,
my dualcore has 128 bits cpu-registers together,
only the Hyper-Link between the High&Low RX is
disabled for now.

Even a Pentium 3 have 128bit registers for SSE, still it is a 32bit CPU.
Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:54 am
by PB
Damn, 64bit is still only new. 128bit can wait a few years or more.
Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:01 am
by Fred
128 bits won't be for the main processor, i can't see any advantage in it when 64 bits can already have a very very large address space.
Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:19 pm
by SFSxOI
Ars was a little behind the times. Microsoft layed out this plan more then three years ago.
The majority of software is still 32 bit. 128 bit will be sort of senseless in a way until software producer companies catch up and actually produce true 128 bit software, right now they are having a hard time converting to true 64 bit development.
Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:06 pm
by netmaestro
Fred wrote: i can't see any advantage in it when 64 bits can already have a very very large address space
Agreed, unless I made a mistake somewhere I estimate a 64bit register able to address 18.4 million terabytes. I can't see the point of investing in making this larger for now. Who's going to need it for the foreseeable future with computer memory sizes typically well under a dozen gig?
Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:37 pm
by Rook Zimbabwe
Yes, there are 128 bit chips out there and modular core designs as well that virtualize 128...
They can cook an egg in under 1 1/2 minutes!
I recall having the same discussion with my dad then the 286s came out... My position was that you would never NEED more than 8 bit / 64k memory... maybe 128k MAX so why would anybody NEED 16bit/640+ ??? Computers work fine now!
As I sit in front of my work computer running 7 on 64bit AMD x4 with 4gigs... or my home computer AMD x2 with 4gig!!! (Running XP Pro!) I wonder where that idea went!
Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:09 pm
by blueznl
It's no discussion IF it will come but WHEN it will come. I'd say latest 2015 we'll see announcements crop up about the next release of Windows, this time 128 bits. It's going to happen.
I think the first 'real' 32 bits windows was NT4.0 released back in 1996 or so, about 5 years later everyone went Win2K / WinXP and we all accepted 32 bits. 2005 gave us WinXP 64, so in 2010 the whole world will be running 64 bits... sort of... MicroSoft hopes
1995 first 32 bits 2000 all 32 bits
2005 first 64 bits 2010 all 64 bits
2015 first 128 bits 2020 all 128 bits
So, according to my very scientific research, every 10 years we'll double register size. One day, this is going to be known as BluezNL's law

Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:17 pm
by netmaestro
I thought blueznl's law was something to do with peeing on the sidewalk...

Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:37 pm
by Mistrel
Rook Zimbabwe wrote:I recall having the same discussion with my dad then the 286s came out... My position was that you would never NEED more than 8 bit / 64k memory... maybe 128k MAX so why would anybody NEED 16bit/640+ ??? Computers work fine now!
I still have a 486 with 24 mb of memory (wow!) running Windows 95. Funny how it's still faster than some of the latest and greatest super whiz-bang computers out now.
Still runs Doom II and Sim City 2000 like a dream!
Re: 128-bit windows 8? Will FASM/PB follow suit?
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:25 am
by Rook Zimbabwe
netmaestro wrote:I thought blueznl's law was something to do with peeing on the sidewalk...

So you say that every 10 years BLue is gonna pee on his sidewalk and thus computer hardware will surge ahead like Picard saying
MAKE IT SO... Get that man some beers!!!