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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by rdenkers.

Hi,

I dont know if this discussion ever popped up before.
If there is a good startersmanual then consider this as "Not written".

PureBasic is a very good language to start with programming.
Therefore it is , in my opinion, very important that there is a good "pure basic howto" manual.

I've have done programming in Liberty Basic ( which is a good language but with limitations) and i have seen the benefits for newbies when there is a good "studybook" available.

The manual which is included in Purebasic is more of a reference manual.

I have seen that there are many keen programmers out there who cant wait to share their knowledgewith newbies, so lets team up !.

It is important that Pb is accessible for newbies in every way.

So who's gonna take up the glove ?


With regardss,

Rick Denkers

"Mensen struikelen niet over bergen, maar over molshopen."
Confucius

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by PB.

> PureBasic is a very good language to start with programming.

PureBasic is a very good language, yes; but it isn't classed as a "beginner's"
language. Beginners can use it obviously, but there's no tutorial as yet
because its current user base are people defecting from other BASICs.

> Therefore it is , in my opinion, very important that there is a good "pure
> basic howto" manual.

I'm toying with the idea of writing a tutorial for beginners, time permitting.


PB - Registered PureBasic Coder


Edited by - PB on 15 March 2002 09:02:38

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by rdenkers.

Ls,

Thanks for your reaction pb
We both see the necessity for a good manual.

But the main problem is that writing such a manual can be a huge task for one person.

Why dont we ( as pb users) team up. If we find ,lets say , 20 people who all want to write one chapter , about 8 pages or so long , then we have in no-time a good manual which can be used by other (new) users.

So who is interested in pulling this on the road ?

Your reactions please,

With regards,

Rick Denkers



"Mensen struikelen niet over bergen, maar over molshopen."
Confucius

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by fred.

It's a very good initiative and may be BlueSpeed can help you, as he already wrote a german tutorial to build quickly a game in PureBasic. Keep on

Fred - AlphaSND

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by blue-speed.

hm... im interested in it.
Yap i want to help , i dont know if danilo want to help, too?
He wanted to do a how to help with many tutorials but he havent become enough help in the pb.de forum

cya
bluespeed

http://www.purehilfe.de.vu

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by rdenkers.


>hm... im interested in it.
>Yap i want to help , i dont know if danilo want to help, too?
>He wanted to do a how to help with many tutorials but he havent become enough >help in the pb.de forum
>cya
>bluespeed

Allright !, that good to hear! .
Maybe danilo wants to help ( right danilo ?}

So we've got two people who are basically interested.

Come on, who's gonna help us out with this ?

Hope to hear from you all !.



"Mensen struikelen niet over bergen, maar over molshopen."
Confucius

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Stan.

Hi,

I am ready to help, I am quite new to PureBasic ( and Basic ... I am an old
embedded system C programmer ), my contribution could be about variables and
general langage features/keyword.
I suppose you/we have to decide on some practical details such as Doc. Format
( I would suggest, pure ASCII text with at most 80 characters/line which can
be read and printed by any PB user, but you had the idea so its up to you !
just don't ask ME to do fancy HTML docs ... )

Hope this helps.



Learning and Love are what life is all about ... [ PB. registered user ]

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Ralf.

could be like the help on QBASIC.
For each "command" (Befehl) some samples or something like that.
I have a very good Book in german for QBASIC which is written
very simple but very good from the beginning to more advanced,
chapter by chapter, with lots of samples. If someone is interested
i could lend it out.

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by rdenkers.


Great,
Weve got enough people to start with. Thanks all !.
For those who have responded ( and all other people who are interested )
This weekend i will publish on this forum a list of topics. It is intendend as a "shooting" list to start the discussion which topics we want to cover and how we going to do it.

Greetings,

Rick
( Still got the Flu though [:( ] )


could be like the help on QBASIC.
For each "command" (Befehl) some samples or something like that.
I have a very good Book in german for QBASIC which is written
very simple but very good from the beginning to more advanced,
chapter by chapter, with lots of samples. If someone is interested
i could lend it out.



[/quote]

"Mensen struikelen niet over bergen, maar over molshopen."
Confucius

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Danilo.

I think everything should be in HTML-Help format,
so you can integrate it easily in the Editor source (v3.0)
and start the tutorials directly from within the Editor.

And YES, you can also include plain .txt in HTML -
so its not a problem when people write plain text
tutorials...
...only the big result should IMO be in HTMl-Help (.chm) format.

cya,
...Danilo

(registered PureBasic user)

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by rdenkers.


Ls,

I do agree with Danilo + Stan.
A plain textfile is a great way to start.
A HTML and a .doc file and all the other fileformats can be easily made from a text file. So that shouldnt be much of a problem.

With reagrds,

Rick

"Mensen struikelen niet over bergen, maar over molshopen."
Confucius

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by rdenkers.


Ralf,

Great to hear that you still have some qbasic stuff. (Good old qbasic...).
We are certainly in need for good examples. So if you want to provide some of that stuff that would be great!.
So lets start digging !

Rgrds,

Rick

"Mensen struikelen niet over bergen, maar over molshopen."
Confucius

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by rdenkers.



Ls,
Ok guys. As promised the shooting list. This is intended as a first step. So give your comments please and feel free to add/ remove chapters/items.

______________________________________________________________________________
1. Introduction to the Pure Basic Language and Environment

Preview

In this first chapter, we will do a quick overview of what (Pure) basic is all about.
You will start programming an application in Pure Basic. You'll learn a new vocabulary, a new approach to programming, and ways to move around in the Pure Basic environment. Our aim is to teach you programming from the very first chapter with examples.

( Lets give an original example here and not the "hello world " example !)


2. Structure of the Pure Basic Language.
In this chapter, we will explain how a typical Pure Basic program looks like.
What are Statements and Expressions ?.
Furthermore we will dive into the world of operators.
The benefits of using remarks in your program.

3. Visual Pure Basic
Building forms in Pure basic. Two programs : The Vis2Pure and the PB Visual IDE. Emphasis on how these programs communicate with Pure Basic.
( PB visual IDE has its own editor but i prefer to use the Pure basic editor)
Building a simple program using Vis2Pure and PB Visual IDE.

4. Strings. And strings
Working with strings. Explain the basics of strings. This section should be filled with lots of working examples.

5. Tables.
Working with arrays in Pure Basic. What is an array ?

6. Files and Co.
Explaining the different kind of files. In the first part emphasis on sequential files.
Later random access files.
Building a first "real" application. ( something like an address book or so ?)

7. Database Access and Management
Review and Preview. Database Structure and Terminology. Data Links . Assigning Tables. Building a rolodex example to show how a database works. Creating a Data Report. Etc ( fill me in guys…)

8. Graphics.
The basics of graphics. Why should you use them? Examples.

9. API Calls.

10. Debugging. Don't forget the Bugs..
Give some debug techniques. Learn the importance of good debugging. Logical errors.
_______________________________________________________________________________


Rgrds,

Rick Denkers

"Mensen struikelen niet over bergen, maar over molshopen."
Confucius

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Ralf.

sounds not bad.
Maybe there should be a chapter for printing:
- printing contains of a file maybe formatted
- etc..
now i have two weeks of holidays but than i will
respond and do whats in my possibilities but i am
still a beginner.



Edited by - ralf on 24 March 2002 13:59:03

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by rdenkers.

Ralf,

Good remark.
Forgot all about the printing...... Oops.
So i think we have an extra chapter called... printing !

Thanks.

Ps : Easter Holiday starts early this year in germany

Rgrds,

Rick

"Mensen struikelen niet over bergen, maar over molshopen."
Confucius