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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by DarkUni.

Hi folks,

Many of you know me from my Blitz Basic days. I brought the original Blitz Basement, Blitz Showcase, and Blitz Professional websites into existance, helping redefine what people should expect from a community.

Myself and fellow DUPer Bryan Smith and gearing up a PB website which is very very very similar to our BlitzProfessional.com site. Its laid out similar, with all the features of BP.com (except the forums - we didn't need to duplicate the efforts here).

If you want a peek at what it will be like, check out the BP.com site. We hope to have the new "Pure Basic Basement" open in the next week or two - at least in an under construction status that is still useful.

Of particular importance I think will be the Code Exchange and Function Collection - which allows the community to quickly, easily share well sorted information.

We hope you like it. We are very excited to be a part of your community!

Shane R. Monroe
Dark Unicorn Productions

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by michaelj.

We hope you like it. We are very excited to be a part of your community!

Shane R. Monroe
Dark Unicorn Productions

Certainly. The more competition, the better ;o)

Michael.
(Registered PureBasic user)

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Danilo.

whats goin with http://www.BP.com ??

>> PureBasic -> gas station

hmmm... i dont get it.

cya,
...Danilo

(registered PureBasic user)

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Leigh.

That's great news Shane.

The Blitz Basement was always my first port of call once I'd connected to the web!

Leigh.

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

Of particular importance I think will be the Code Exchange and Function Collection - which allows the community to quickly, easily share well sorted information.

There is now collection of snipets and code now, its maintained by Paul.

Im agree if somebody wants to help, but don't miss that the community dosen't starts today... until today we all have been cooperative without divisions and i hope we can continue in that way
Don't minimize the effort maded by some people.

Thanks

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by DarkUni.

I definately want to work with other sites - not be 'in competition'.

I don't want anyone to feel like we're "muscling in" or "competing" ... Communities should NOT fight with each other - it destroys the whole spirit.

I assume you speak of PB Resources. Great resources. I've already used them a lot.

The idea of "Basement" is to make it as EASY as possible to share and communicate using TWO WAY communication. The Basement will allow you to upload, manage, upgrade, delete your entries of code - as well as allow others in the community to comment on the code; offering ideas, alternatives, etc.

The Function Library is to allow you to cut and paste code directly to the web site - allowing the visitor to see PB code and cut and paste it into PB right away - no downloading, no unzipping. Just cut, paste, run. I think its important to offer this sort of thing; especially useful for beginners to the language like me that needs to see a LOT of code around different things without the burden of downloading.

As a 'newbie' to PB, I've found a couple of issues that have made my experience a bit frustrating; which is why I chose to get involved with the community.

First, its been hard to find PRACTICAL sample code. Especially gaming code. Then to find code that works on the demo. Then to find code that actually shows what I'm looking for; that works with the demo. The Basement's Code Exchange and Function Library would have solved (or at least helped) this out.

Command reference. Both myself and Bryan have had problems finding command reference stuff that is up to date, comprehensive, and that has sample code for each and every command we're interested in working with. We've been spoiled. Part of the purpose of a community is to release some of the burden from the developers by having this sort of thing available on a 'fan' or 'unofficial' site; allowing the dev team to develop instead of support all the time.

As a 'migrant' coder, these things would have helped my transition to PB. As a 'new to coding' coder, these things would DEFINITELY help out.

Again, I'm not here to belittle current support and community - its been great! I'm just here to do my part to help PB grow and flourish so I can churn out a quality product for MY customers using PB.

As for BlitzProfessional.com ... when the domain name expires, it will likely go away. I'll archive the message board in PDF, give it to someone else in the Blitz community, and go away. I don't have time to divide my efforts. I have every intention of moving to PB full time once Fred gets me a couple of gaming elements/commands in place he promised me. I may go ahead and port my game Psycho Squares Remix to PB as a learning experiment as PB's networking commands are better and more structured than Blitz's are.

I also want to code some apps. Which isn't my area of expertise so I'll be pinging you experienced app coders a lot.

Thanks guys! I'm already feeling at home.

Shane R. Monroe
Dark Unicorn Productions

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by fred.


I'm really happy to see a such initiative. Another site speaking of PureBasic can't be a bad thing... Keep up the good work !

Fred - AlphaSND

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by mystik.

Hi

How about the new basement focusing on game developement, this would then compliment the other sites which seem more focused on apps developemnt.

That way if your only interested in Apps you won't need to be swamped by game related stuff and if your only interested in game devs you can skip all the apps stuff.

Instead of fragmenting the community this would make it even better.

Just my thoughts

Steve.

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by DarkUni.

I'll leave the site open and we'll see how the community uses it.

No reason to squelch any possibilities.

mystik is leet ... everyone should have a friend like him

Shane R. Monroe
Dark Unicorn Productions

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Paul.

The PB Resources Site is unique because not only does it host PureBasic libraries, code snippets, full apps, links, etc... it is completely written and managed with programs and CGI's written in PureBasic. (that truely shows off the power of PB)

What I notice is that people like to place code on the forum here and it's tough to get them to also archive their code on the Resources Site.
But with a lot of hard work (and nagging) we've managed to build up quite the resource archive so far.

It is also extremely convenient to only have to search one site to find information/code that you need.

With other sites poping up and duplicating all previous efforts, now the user has to visit many sites to find information and that information will be spread thin because no one is going to go to every site just to upload a code snippet.

I don't mean to sound sour but what is the point of setting up something that duplicates what already exists. Everything you mention either already exists or is being worked on and implemented as we speak. How about making use of what already exists and help it grow?

If you really want to "do your part" upload some snippets to the Resources Site


(I'm all for something new! I just think it's a waste to duplicate existing efforts)



Edited by - paul on 31 January 2002 15:46:32

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by El_Choni.

Hi,

When I started with PureBasic, I was a bit afraid of the fact that there were only two sites: the official and the forum. So, When Mr. Skunk made his site and, after, Paul made his, my posibilities growed rapidly. So I think another site won't harm anyone, on the contrary. I would like to see hundreds of PureBasic's sites, and it's normal they grow as the community grows, isn't it?

Just my opinion. Have a nice day,



El_Choni

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by TronDoc.

I think Paul has done wonders getting some
organization of the snippets. I'd like to see
Fred be able to focus more on development and
troubleshooting rather user assistance.
(NOT that I don't appreciate answers
directly from YOU Fred!)

For anyone to volunteer their
time and experience to assist someone
in a commercial endeavour is a wonder in itself.

However the resources are maintained, documented and
(I'm dreaming now) databased.. ..there needs to be some
way for beginners like myself to easily locate and
use what they are looking for.

Those snippets and/or examples MUST BE FREE
of errors and FULLY functional with the current
release of PureBASIC, and, I believe; they most definitely
MUST clearly indicate which OS, what (non-Fred) library file,
if DirectX or WhAtEvEr else is needed to make them work
within the comments of the code.... {too much}

I've already offered to help with regression testing
of PureBASIC itself as new versions come out and
I am willing to do the same with snippet
libraries and full example programs.

That offer is somewhat selfish because
I hope to learn the language better just
by running programs and seeing how they work.
(Duh- that's how I learned GW-BASIC many moons ago!)

This will hopefully prevent some of the
discouragement I (and others?) have experienced
attempting to create something useful with this really
GREAT language.

I hope you fellows can come to some sort of agreement.
I really like PureBASIC and I believe there is a future
for it. I haven't mentioned "others" before, but my
dis-satisfaction with things like XBASIC, GBASIC,
LibertyBASIC, etc... ...grew from some of the
stumbling blocks I see here.

PureBASIC has one great advantage:
It is a true compiler that is
simple to use, powerful
(and growing) and has some
very talented followers
already.

Best Wishes!

Joe Block


elecTRONics DOCtor
{registeredPB}

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by michaelj.

I definately want to work with other sites - not be 'in competition'.

I don't want anyone to feel like we're "muscling in" or "competing" ... Communities should NOT fight with each other - it destroys the whole spirit.

I assume you speak of PB Resources. Great resources. I've already used them a lot.

Hi Shane.

My initial quip was based on your topic of the 'Ultimate PB site'. Sounded pretty tyrannical to me this morning. Anyway, I do wish you all the best, and firmly believe that you can never have too many resources - they should all link to each other of course !

I do partly speak of PB Resources, as Paul has done fantastic work there, and it would be a shame to duplicate his work, especially as blitzprofessional seems to convey a very similar setup.

I have already suggested a documentation setup similar to the annotated manual at php.net, and given the time, I may even set something up myself, but would hate to think of it as the be-all-and-end-all of PureBasic resources.

Regards,

Michael.
(Registered PureBasic user)

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

I just think it's a waste to duplicate existing efforts

Thats what i try to point in my last post in this discussion...
Why don't you join to Paul's project?
Now i discover the PBGuide in Paul's site and its a very good idea, but i think that he may need some helping hands...
I can't see the point to make a NEW site when we got one in progress and need some help and support of the comunity.

DarkUni says:
I don't want anyone to feel like we're "muscling in" or "competing" ... Communities should NOT fight with each other - it destroys the whole spirit.

Yes, i know that your try is with the best intention, its obvious to everybody... im just giving a suggestion: join to Paul's effort.

Command reference. Both myself and Bryan have had problems finding command reference stuff that is up to date, comprehensive, and that has sample code for each and every command

Let help the PB Guide in Paul's site, he IS working yet on this.

As a 'newbie' to PB, I've found a couple of issues that have made my experience a bit frustrating; which is why I chose to get involved with the community.

Absolutely agree... thats why some of us try to give our two cents to help each other (i made one Visual IDE for PureBasic... its in progress), MrSkunk makes libs, PB an excellent VB2PB gui convertor, Franco, Rings, Pupil, FangBeast, Mark1Up, Paul and many others gives examples, etc. Paul is mantaining a site with most features that you are planning...

Thats why i ask you to join to the actual projects... some people has give many hours in different ways to help others... its important to have this in mind

Its my point of view

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by michaelj.

Thats why i ask you to join to the actual projects... some people has give many hours in different ways to help others... its important to have this in mind

Hi Ricardo.

Consider this: How many sites on the web have info on Visual Basic...? C++ ??
Hundreds !!

Variety and choice is definately a good thing as far as programming resources go. If the site moderators work together, and allow any info on their site to be duplicated / shared, it's even better, as the user can choose from a variety of different sites, all with different styles, and all presenting similar information in a slightly different way. Everybody is happy !!

The one exception I would make, is forums. However, I think everyone is in agreement that these forums are the only ones really necessary (I know Paul has one, but it's mainly for his site feedback).

Would you rather have only one book on a subject, or be able to choose from many ??

I wish everyone the very best in building resources. Please share whatever you have, and the community will grow around you. The word of PureBasic will spread far and wide, and Fred will be rich and famous

This is, of course, just my own opinion, but as a professional developer, I would hate to only have one Java reference page to use for my work !!

Regards,

Michael.
(Registered PureBasic user)