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Overclocking, is it something you are familiar with?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:02 pm
by thamarok
Hello!

Now as I have my Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe, I searched for it on the web for some more information and found many pages saying that it was clocked to 3.2Ghz without any problems, and it's normal clock-speed is 1.86Ghz :shock:

I have been thinking of clocking it to 2.4Ghz, but I am afraid that something could happen to it as I'm not familiar with these things...

So, if you are familiar with overclocking, could you post a success/failure story?

Please reply and tell me if this is a good idea.. But I was just thinking of clocking it into 2.4Ghz, but 1.86Ghz is fine here and no problems so far :roll:

THanks!

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:28 pm
by KarLKoX
I think that i am aware enough with oc though i can say that you can safely oc a Core² to 2.4 ghz without any problem but if you want to have a better oc, you will need some good ddr II like Corsair, Geil or OCZ.
If, for example, the cpu isn't stable enough @ 3 ghz, change the timing of your ram (4445 to 5555 for example), bigger timing allow better oc, there will not be a big performance issue as Core² are not timing dependand.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:31 pm
by CadeX
My Dualcore amd processor (64), i clocked it from 2.2GHZ to 2.4GHZ, though interestingly enough i did get some weird crap happen... I have no skill with over-clocking, so i'm leaving it the way it came, and if it screws up, i'm not to blame. :D

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:32 pm
by SoulReaper
Hello :)

1. Very important!!! - With any overclocking it is important to remember that you need plenty of fans or water cooling...

2. Can you afford for things to go wrong... if yes then what i say is make sure you do research on cpu

3. Dunno ah :idea: Links to some sites :)



http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-overclocking.htm


http://tomshardware.co.uk/index.html


http://www.chillblast.com/home.php?source=google


Hope this helps :roll: :)

Regards
Kevin :) :wink: [/url]

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:40 pm
by thamarok
Thanks for the information everybody!
Later tonight I will try to overclock my CPU to 2.0Ghz, if it goes fine then I'll try to 2.4Ghz.

Oh and I have a lot of fans (Zalman's fans are very recommended if you read about overclocking and I have one :P )

And I can buy a new CPU if something goes wrong.. On my budget right now, I could buy 50 PureBasic licenses :wink:
EDIT: Yes, I have 4000€ on my budget for my own purpose, and then I have about 3000€ for the coming taxes and other payments (like TV, etc.).

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:55 pm
by localmotion34
Intel's Core Duo is a hack.

AMD designed their processor architecture from the start to support dual core technology.

Intel got scooped, and basically had to reverse engineer their platform.

I would NOT overclock this processor. Period. Its not designed to do that.

I havent seen an Intel that can compete with the Dual core Opterons. My dual Xeon 3.06 ghz perform as well as my single AMD64 dual core 2.4 Ghz.

I am going to go to Dual, dual core AMD64 opterons with dual, dual core NVIDIA 1GB video cards in SLI config. the new NVIDIA 1 GB cards are 2 512 cards in dual config, which then can be run in SLI tandom.

Intel is surviving because MAC decided to go x86. AMD and NVIDIA are working together, and blowing Intel and ATI out of the water.

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:57 pm
by GeoTrail
I'm not a hard core OC myself, I have overclocked my CPU which runs at 2GHz x2 to 2.2 GHz, and it's running fine with the stock fan and heat sink. I know I can clock it even more using water cooling but hey what's the use ;)

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:13 pm
by KarLKoX
localmotion34 wrote:I would NOT overclock this processor. Period. Its not designed to do that.
Intel Core² are really good with oc, even better thant AMD Opteron with the stock cooling.

Re: Overclocking, is it something you are familiar with?

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:43 pm
by inc.
thamarok wrote:Hello!

Now as I have my Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe, I searched for it on the web for some more information and found many pages saying that it was clocked to 3.2Ghz without any problems, and it's normal clock-speed is 1.86Ghz :shock:
Whats the brand/Model of your Board? Even the best RAMs wont let you go over stock speed if the MoBos Northbridge doesnt support high FSB Settings.
And thats the approach in OC'ing Core2Duo's -> pitching the FSB as those 755 CPUs do have a fixed Multiplier. Borads bests known for incredible FSBs are p965 ones as also 975x. Best OCing choices are the ASUS p5wdh (975x) or P5B Deluxe (965) or ... Gigabytes GA-965P-DS3 or GA-965P-DS4

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:32 pm
by Derek
localmotion34 wrote:Intel's Core Duo is a hack.
AMD and NVIDIA are working together, and blowing Intel and ATI out of the water.
I hope AMD doesn't blow ATI out of the water as they recently bought the company! :wink:

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:17 pm
by Rescator
If you really want to overclock make sure of a few things.
1. that the cpu gets the power it needs
2. That you have a cooler able to handle the extra heat generated
3. That the surface/contact area between the cooler and cpu is perfect

Fail any of those criteria and you could end up with a fried cpu or motherboard or similar.


My personal advise about overclocking is.... Don't...

Running them stock means they will perform as the cpu is rated for,
and will keep running stable until all the dust you forgot to clean out of your cooler/fan cuts off the airflow. (that thing is a dust magnet, air on a can is your best friend)

Almost anything in a PC can be overclocked these days,
so why does the factory not do this allready at the assembly lines?
Simple. They wish to sell stable products when possible.

What they do is usually test the cpu's, find their point of error, then throttle back a bit, this becomes the rating of the cpu.

In most overclocking guides you will see.
"increase step by step until the system becomes unstable or you see artifacts, then step it a down again a little"

I'd be scared to run my cpu or ram etc. "on the edge" changes of corrupt memory, file transfers, bus errors and more increase more and more the closer you get to that threshold.

The factory rating is usually (unless faulty or damaged during transport) within a safety margin.
Also don't forget that overclocking is a artform in itself, the pro overclockers out there know the exact memory timings, fsb/hypertransport, pci/agp, cpu voltage, and what brand, make/model/year/bios revision, and whatnot drivers and who knows what else to use to break those thresholds and still stay miraculously stable (most of the time anyway).

When I realized I could buy mid range (a bit below midrange even) cpu, and then in a year or two "upgrade" to a faster one.
(thinking AMD's AM2 dual core range whatever those might be, in fall 2007, only got a single core currently)
And pay less than half of what a overclocker would spend on a great cooler and fan solution and memory with proper timings to match the cpu's performance.

It is not worth overclocking just to get 5 more frames per second in this or than first person shooter game.
Nor is it worh to get a watercooling system (or similar noiseless system) unless you want a noiseless system or just want to impress people that is.

Remember, if something breaks...you'll end up buying a new cpu, or memory or something else. Was it really worth it? a overclocked cpu may work fine today, but a month or two later? Who knows?
And worse, data corruption, you may not always detect that until many weeks later. (depending on how much junk you got and what stuff get corrupted first obviously)
You definedly need to be obsessive about backups in that case.

You can only choose stability, or performance. Not both at the same time. And the old saying.. you get what you pay for :)

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:08 pm
by thamarok
I clocked my CPU to 2.4Ghz, it runs fine and very fast now :D !!
And about nVidia, ATI, AMD, Intel, I use an Intel processor, but nVidia graphic card :wink:

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:45 pm
by inc.
thamarok wrote:I clocked my CPU to 2.4Ghz, it runs fine and very fast now :D !!
And about nVidia, ATI, AMD, Intel, I use an Intel processor, but nVidia graphic card :wink:
A 6300 OC'ed to 2,4Ghz is very moderate and won't result in a significant CPU watts/heat increase. Even an aircooling heatsink will be enough in this case.
IMHO you even won't have to increase the Vcore to reach 2.4Ghz on that CPU Model.

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:04 pm
by localmotion34
My dual intel Xeon system absolutely screams. 3 gigs of RAM, NVIDIA 256 meg video card, 10K RPM Hard Drive.

My other system is a dual-core AMD64 with 3 gigs RAM, 256 ATI video card and a 300GB 16meg cache hard drive for the OS.

Both perform equally well, with the AMD system blazing even faster on Win64.

why do they perform equally? the NVIDIA card on the dual xeons smokes the ATI one, but the 16 meg cache rips apart the extra 2800 RPM on the WD Raptor.

you only can go as fast as your slowest component. On both my systems, there is a component that ends up throttling down the performance to roughly the same speed.

doesnt matter right now, at work i can run doom 3 on ultra resolution while compressing a folder full of adobe PSD files around 5 gigs.

at home i can play FarCry maxed out while transcoding huge WinTV files to compressed DivX.

Overclocking is never necessary. Finding your weakest component is critical. That will get you so many more FPS than overclocking.

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:14 pm
by thamarok
I have read about overclocking on Wikipedia, and from what I read, PC enthusiasts buy low-end computers and evorclock the components to make the PC like a high-end one.

This is risky, but you would save money if you are a PC enthusiast..