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Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:11 pm**

Hi Group,

I'd like to know whether it is possible to rotate sprites - fast....

For a small project of mine, I'd like to create an instrument dial face, that has multiple objects that need to be animated (rotated, moved, etc). Can this be done with sprites?

I know this forum has multiple entries about rotating a sprite, but non of these seem to be geared towards fast real-time rotation...

I wouldn't like to use the larger 3D lib for something that is essentially 2D, that's why I thought about using sprites for this.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:00 pm**

This is pure 2D, and you're using sprites right?

In that case, no code will be fast enough for rotating your dials in realtime. Instead, you should rotate them only once with your prefered rotation routine, save the results and show the results when needed Smile

Hope the "lookup table" idea shines your lamp..

Sure, you'll be using much more memory this way, but the processing is cut to a single sprite display. Thats what you're looking for right? speed!.

If you want an example just ask. It's pretty easy though.

1) Load the sprite

2) In a routine, take the amount of rotations you'll want and calculate the angle of rotation between frame and frame.

3) Rotate the sprite, keeping each handle in an array.

4) Whenever you need to rotate the sprite, call the appropiate sprite handle at the rotation array.

Really, this is no PB fault, you'll want to take the same aproach for "real" (let's call 'em "Pure") 2D games as well.

So, cheers!.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:08 pm**

I do almost all of my graphics with OpenGL. So I can't comment on the speed of PB (3D)Sprites. But as I don't how much speed you need, it wouldn't help me anyway.

What about this:

Write Procedures that handle your Graphics stuff and hide the way they do it from the rest of your Program. So you would be able to develop your program fast with 3D-Sprites, and maybe switch to OpenGL if they are to slow, without changing the Rest of your code.

Good luck,

Hades

Edit: I was too slow. dagcracks method is always possible.

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:13 pm**

dagcrack wrote:This is pure 2D, and you're using sprites right?

In that case, no code will be fast enough for rotating your dials in realtime. Instead, you should rotate them only once with your prefered rotation routine, save the results and show the results when needed Smile

Hope the "lookup table" idea shines your lamp..

This is exactly what Krylar wrote in one of his entries.... Thanks for the thumbs up!

Posted: **Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:18 pm**

Hades wrote:I do almost all of my graphics with OpenGL. So I can't comment on the speed of PB (3D)Sprites. But as I don't how much speed you need, it wouldn't help me anyway.

What about this:

Write Procedures that handle your Graphics stuff and hide the way they do it from the rest of your Program. So you would be able to develop your program fast with 3D-Sprites, and maybe switch to OpenGL if they are to slow, without changing the Rest of your code.

Good luck,

Hades

Edit: I was too slow. dagcracks method is always possible.

Splitting it up in modules is what I had in mind already, because one day, it perhaps needs to run on a (tiny) Linux board....

Thanks

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:20 am**

Ok, I mocked up a little something, is this the kind of thing you're going for?

Here's the built program, you can just run it:

http://www.networkmaestro.com/dials.exe

or, if you want to build it yourself, you need these 2 images:

http://www.networkmaestro.com/dial.bmp
http://www.networkmaestro.com/needle.bmp

Then run this:

Code: Select all

InitSprite():InitSprite3D():InitMouse() 
OpenWindow(0,0,0,768,177,"Dial Test",#PB_Window_ScreenCentered|#PB_Window_SystemMenu) 
OpenWindowedScreen(WindowID(0),0,0,768,177,0,0,0)
LoadSprite(10,"dial.bmp")
LoadSprite(11,"dial.bmp")
LoadSprite(12,"dial.bmp")
LoadSprite(13,"dial.bmp")
LoadSprite(1,"needle.bmp",#PB_Sprite_Texture) 
CopySprite(1,2)
CopySprite(2,3)
CopySprite(3,4)
TransparentSpriteColor(1,RGB(70,30,110)) 
CreateSprite3D(1,1)
CreateSprite3D(2,1)
CreateSprite3D(3,1)
CreateSprite3D(4,1)
Sprite3DQuality(1)
forward0=#True 
forward1=#True 
forward2=#True 
forward3=#True 
Repeat 
  ev=WaitWindowEvent(1) 
  DisplaySprite(10,0,0) 
  DisplaySprite(11,192,0) 
  DisplaySprite(12,2*192,0) 
  DisplaySprite(13,3*192,0) 
  Start3D() 
    n0=1
    n1=2
    n2=3
    n3=4
    If forward0 
      RotateSprite3D(1,n0,1) 
      t0+n0 
      If t0>=270 
        forward0=#False 
      EndIf 
    Else
      RotateSprite3D(1,0-n0,1)     
      t0-n0    
      If t0<=0 
        forward0=#True 
      EndIf 
    EndIf
    If forward1 
      RotateSprite3D(2,n1,1) 
      t1+n1 
      If t1>=270 
        forward1=#False 
      EndIf 
    Else
      RotateSprite3D(2,0-n1,1)     
      t1-n1    
      If t1<=1 
        forward1=#True 
      EndIf 
    EndIf
    If forward2
      RotateSprite3D(3,n2,1) 
      t2+n2
      If t2>=270 
        forward2=#False 
      EndIf 
    Else
      RotateSprite3D(3,0-n2,1)     
      t2-n2    
      If t2<=0 
        forward2=#True 
      EndIf 
    EndIf
    If forward3
      RotateSprite3D(4,n3,1) 
      t3+n3
      If t3>=270 
        forward3=#False 
      EndIf 
    Else
      RotateSprite3D(4,0-n3,1)     
      t3-n3    
      If t3<=0 
        forward3=#True 
      EndIf 
    EndIf
    DisplaySprite3D(1,31,25) 
    DisplaySprite3D(2,192+31,25) 
    DisplaySprite3D(3,192*2+31,25) 
    DisplaySprite3D(4,192*3+31,25) 
  Stop3D() 
  FlipBuffers() 
Until ev=#PB_Event_CloseWindow

It's not great quality, but if I could draw or program, it would be better.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:05 am**

netmaestro wrote:It's not great quality, but if I could draw or program, it would be better.

Netmaestro,

you're being way too modest here. I like you example a lot! Thanks for sharing it, very eductional.

What I intend to create is what is called an EFIS... In programming terms you can thinks about it as a dial face that dispays multiple layers of sprites, each one of them conveying a certain information snippet. Large parts of each of these layered sprites (with the exception of the rear one) will be transparent.

EFISes come in many flavors, one of them can be seen here: http://www.interavionics.com/rockwell-c ... S-4xxx.jpg Another type of EFIS is shown here: http://www.b737.org.uk/pfd.jpg
An example of a somewhat more complete panel: http://www.janholmberg.se/airbus-panel.jpg

Thanks again!

P.S. what would I want to do with an EFIS? Check out my sig

Of course, initially I'll only be using a simulator (UDP data packets from X-Plane) for data input...

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:07 am**

Yeeks that makes me shudder. You're gonna kill yourself in that thing!

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:18 am**

netmaestro wrote:Yeeks that makes me shudder. You're gonna kill yourself in that thing!

You might be right, but it will not be because of an EFIS....

Do you want to know some shocking facts?
- all pilots end up dead!
- so do chess players, stamp collectors and of course dairy farmers!

Why not have a bit of fun before the final touch-down?

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:40 pm**

Netmaestro,

after playing around with your code, I have the following comments:

- Start3D() and Stop3D() can be located outside of the REPEAT-UNTIL loop
- Since you set a transparent color for the needle bitmap, I was a bit surprised that the background bitmap needs to be redrawn within the loop. Obviously, what is ultimately displayed is but a single canvas, no layering involved?
- I doubled the number of dial faces, to test how this would influence processor usage. With the original 4 dial faces, the program took some 27-29% on average. I was surprised to find that doubling everything only increased processor usage to 29-33%

EDIT:

The processor load percentages quoted above were measured on a non-HT 2.0GHz notebook.
On a HT 3.0 GhHz desktop, processor load dropped to 4-5%....

bye

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:04 pm**

haha he might kill himself if he uses windows for the OS...
I wouldnt fly with you that way sorry

- But I knew you were talking about avionics.

In that way I'd use a 3D accelerator and stop crying about slowness...
Go for OpenGL, it wont kill you.

But ask techjunkie about this, he might know.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:43 pm**

You're basically looking for some very fast matrix transformation. You can go the pre-processed way but not really for what it looks like you want to do. The way you could really do it is draw the sprite yourself using Line() etc. Have the actual graphic be a sprite then draw the lines at the correct angle over the sprite.

If you really need to rotate the entire sprite then you should just do a lookup on google for matrix transformation and see if it could be implemented to apply to pb sprites.

Posted: **Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:36 pm**

Thats possible on 3D but not on real 2D.
If hes going to use 3D or at least accelerated graphics; he should go with OpenGL.

Of course you can use 2D matrixes, but I mean you must use some kind of acceleartion (rasterization process, etc). And not real 2D for this...

Posted: **Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:22 am**

I know about 4x4 matrix manipulation to rotate/shift/translate 3D-coordination in one go. (Long ago I've done this stuff on TurboPascal.) Actually, I'd be manipulating the outside coordinates that define the object and the object proper still needs to be drawn.

Internally, this is what OpenGL/DirectX do with 3D objects, so I reckon that Dagcrack is right that I need some sort of accelleration. OpenGL would indeed be my favorite, as this is available on all platforms that PB can address.

Although the objects that need to be displayed are presented in 2D, conceptually they are independently displayed on transparent canvasses on top of each other. Perhaps going the 3D route to display 2D object might still be a valid aproach, as displaying overlapping objects would be taken care of automatically.

There only one drawback: I HAVEN'T THE FOGGIEST ABOUT OPENGL NOR ABOUT DIRECTX. Oh, well, time to purchase yet some more books...

Posted: **Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:06 pm**

Sort of OT: I like your site dell_jockey, and the dry/wry sense of humour!

Success with your ibis project, it is exciting and is inspiring. Striving for a goal is what life is all about.

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Any idea on how to rotate sprites?

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