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The Great PB 4.0 Challenge!

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:08 pm
by Killswitch
I was thinking about ways in which we, the community, could help raise PBs profile a bit, seeing as v4 is going to be huge, and Fred (and the rest :P) deserve to reap a load of rewards for it.

Anyway, an idea struck me. In order to show off PBs potential and perks we should compare it to as many other langauges as possible. All we need to do is come up with a simple idea for a program (say one that show's off what PB can do i.e. double math, simple GUIs etc), then write it in PB and it's main competitors.

Of course, the idea is to show that PB is the best out of the lot (we should look at compile time, source length/complexity (a bit objective, but hey) and compiled size) then post the results around for all to see.

How's that sound?

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:53 pm
by Num3
Competitors?

What competitors? :lol:

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:15 pm
by Killswitch
:P

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:17 pm
by Jan Vooijs
A sound idea but is that not a bit to harsh at the (sorry) competitors they will lose customers in heaps!!!

No to harsh at the 'others'...

Oke lets do it!! What kind of application?!?!?! Pong anyone?? Or a game or a spamfilter or a webbrowser or ....

Jan V.

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:13 pm
by Joakim Christiansen
But if you're a expert in PB and a noob in C++ the result will be wrong...

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 4:35 pm
by Jan Vooijs
Joakim Christiansen wrote:But if you're a expert in PB and a noob in C++ the result will be wrong...
Most people here are fluwently in more than 'only' PB. Look at some sigs:
Java, C, C++, Powerbasic, asmbler, dotnet, RealBasic, RapidQ, Pascal, Delphi, ect.. You name it somebody here 'speaks' it. I had several outings with PowerBasic and RealBasic. But gave up on them. (to expensive versus job done).

This could be the same as on the "99-bottles of beer" website, maybe there is one already for PB there. You can compare many languages for syntax.

Cheers,

Jan V.

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:05 pm
by Killswitch
That's exactly why I posted here, Joakim. I'm really only fluent in PB and a very little bit of DarkBasic (although it pains me to admit, it was my first language :) ).

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:40 pm
by josku_x
So, is this something like this?

RealBasic 5.5 Professional
It has a very good designer, easy application creation with RAD (Rapid Apllication Development). It has nice features like Drag'n'Drop events, controls etc. The language is easy to learn and it's overall very good.

I'll give it a 8/10. Reason: There are many annoyances in RB.
PureBasic 3.94 (Windows)
A huge and very easy to learn commandset. Supports most Win API functions, constants, structures and interfaces. Has an easy to use, yet buggy Visual Designer (which is better than RB's even if RB supports more controls). Programs can be easily ported from any language to PB. Has an effective IDE and user tools can be easily integrated. PureBasic has many libraries and a very powerful support. PB is overall very good.

I'll give it a 9/10. Reason: It is not so buggy, there are no annoyances, coding in PB is fun.

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 7:49 pm
by blueznl
but oh fear of fears... what if the other language is (shudder) better?!?

:?

okay, unlikely, but they just *might* win on some *minor* points :-)

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:37 pm
by Killswitch
josku_x, you've got the gist of it - but I actually meant some actual code comparision. If we did it in the way you just outlined it'd blatently be biased :D. But, if we write the same program in lots of different languages then we can directly show just why PBs the best!

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:56 pm
by Jan Vooijs
blueznl wrote:but oh fear of fears... what if the other language is (shudder) better?!?

:?

okay, unlikely, but they just *might* win on some *minor* points :-)
Which 'other' language? There is NO other language better than PB4, period!!

:lol: :roll: :D

Jan V.

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:21 am
by dell_jockey
if you really think PB4 can hack it, why not participate in The Great Computer Language Shootout ? Just an idea. At least we'd be up against the best in other languages, so if PB wins, it would really put it on many radar screens....

This type of competition might also motivate the PB development team to make it even greater!

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:51 pm
by blueznl
isn't that one only for linux?

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:40 pm
by Straker
dell_jockey wrote:if you really think PB4 can hack it, why not participate in The Great Computer Language Shootout ?
I think that is an excellent idea. I would love to see PB blow away some of those C/C++ progs.

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:22 am
by Inf0Byt3
I'm in!!!!