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Some of you may remember that Pyxia (Creator of IBasic) was sold a few months ago. It seems the previous owner couldn't keep himself from creating a new language. It's kind of a C\BASIC hybrid. It's C style syntax with BASIC ease of use. It'll be interesting to see the direction he takes it.

For those who are interested:

Main Site:
http://www.ionicwind.com

Forum:
http://www.ionicwind.com/forums/index.php?topic=8.0

The Alpha is supposed to be released today.

I saw you registered.
So how is it ? It looks like modified C.

gnozal, I just got the download link and will be trying out the early alpha. It is planned on being cross platform.

It is a higher level C (eventually OO in it, too.) It is aimed at being comfortable for BASIC programmers while giving the advanced functionality of C. It is also going to be easier to convert Open Source C code.

From what I've gathered by talking with him, he has high plans for it (cross platform 3D plus Direct X 9 3D, 2D, etc.)

Just like PureBasic, one payment, life time updates.

I'll post here what I think about the early Alpha. Also, he's posted some more sample code.

Well, there is a difference between the two concerning licenses. Aurora is buy one, lifetime updates, for both personal and businesses. While Purebasic is the exact same for customers who bought it before 3.94. But with NEW customers as of 3.94 and higher, businesses dont get free updates. Or that is how I understood the manual.

And before anybody love jumping to conclusion and flame me, read the manual. If I read it wrong, please post.

Could you quote the license part where professionals doesn't get free update ?

I'll post here what I think about the early Alpha.

Don't bother. I see he's invited some of his loyal tail-wagging friends to join him over there.

And he accepts $100 donations of course, so scoot over there and join them.

I have played around with the early Alpha. Without a doubt it is a hybrid of C and BASIC. Those who are expecting another BASIC language and only like BASIC will probably not like the style. Personally I like it. Paul has just recently posted a basic road map up to the first Beta release (that's when a trial version will come along.) No time estimations but he has made great progress already.

I've read on this forum a few people who think PureBasic is not BASIC enough. I personally have no problems with languages that change the rules for a reason. I think Fred has fully thought out the PureBasic language and I don't think it's illogical. That is what is most important for me is whether the language is designed to be logical. I used the game making book by Krylar to learn PureBasic and I found the language different than what I was use to but easy to understand once it was explained. I think Paul is attempting a similar type thing. He is not trying to make a new C or redesign BASIC, I think he is just trying to marry what is the best between the two and make it gel in a logical way. That being said, I do think most people will look at the syntax and say "oh, it's a C clone." and in that sense I don't think it will be a direct competitor with PureBasic the same way IBasic was.

I know several us love different computer languages and own many. I like using the right tool for the job.

utopiomania wrote:

I'll post here what I think about the early Alpha.

Don't bother. I see he's invited some of his loyal tail-wagging friends to join him over there.

And he accepts $100 donations of course, so scoot over there and join them.

That was quite the insult. That was an old time user of IBasic that offered that donation. I don't think you'll see the same financial woes Paul had when he owned Pyxia. He is not planning on making this a full-time effort. He'll be working and doing this in the evenings.

I must say I was a bit concerned by Shannara's post as well.

For personal use (ie: not used by a commercial organization) the updates are unlimited, unlike most other software out there.

While this is not the license, it does seem to imply that the rules are different for commercial users of PureBasic. Would you care to comment?

That was quite the insult.

Yes it was, and an intended one.

He'll be working and doing this in the evenings.

How come you know this ??

From your post's you seem a bit involved in what he's been up to, in the past, and now this.

utopiomania wrote:

He'll be working and doing this in the evenings.

How come you know this ??

I found out about his site and new language because I was asking what he was up to and I was asking specific questions about the future of the 3D pak.

From your post's you seem a bit involved in what he's been up to, in the past, and now this.

I was not involved in what he was up to in the past. I don't know what you mean about that. I was mostly interested in the 1k challenge (which is a cool idea) and the 3D pak (which is dead for IBasic.)

I am really interested in the new language because I wanted something that was a hybrid between C and BASIC. I wanted the ability to easily convert Open Source C and other projects to an easier\more productive language (more BASIC like.) I kinda wanted the best of both worlds. It is true that C can be converted to PureBasic and IBasic but I wanted something even easier (for converting.) Only time will tell if I got my hopes up too high.

If Paul were writing another IBasic I would have no real interest in it. That's simply a fact but he hit upon something that interested me.

I know you are still bitter about your experience on the other forum but I had nothing to do with that. In fact I don't even think I was an active member at the time (I remember reading about it though- the downloadable forum issue, etc.) I registered the same day I registered here (Mar 20, 2005) so I could ask questions about the two languages so it shows the same registeration date but, Paul never activated my account until a couple months later when I bought Standard for $14.99. I asked some questions here, got them answered, bought PureBasic way before I got IBasic Pro (I got that a few weeks before he sold the business.) So, I'm hardly an old timer there.

the best way to reuse C code is to compile the C code as static lib (or dll) and use it via exported function (which can be easily done with PB).

I am sorry for not replying soon enough. But yes, that was what i read in the manual, but dont remember seeing that in receipt nor in earlier versions of the manual (I could be wrong!). But Ive just checked my preceipt and that statement was not in there .. I ordered on 10/2003, and I ordered under my business at that time.

This is why I stated it must apply only to the new customers as it wasnt a requirement for us "older" customers.

But since this is fred's product and manual, etc. Only he knows the answer

I know you are still bitter about your experience on the other forum

bitter?? The only 'experience I had 'on the other forum' was that I was thrown out the minute I
realized that my tail wasn't wagging anymore. That is, when I stopped sucking up to 'Paul', your Master.

Anyways, have you ever seen an ad for a Dodge Dakota (or in this case, a WV Pickup) on a Chevy Colorado site?

No? Neither have I.

utopiomania wrote:'Paul', your Master.

Whatever. :roll:

utopiomania wrote:Anyways, have you ever seen an ad for a Dodge Dakota (or in this case, a WV Pickup) on a Chevy Colorado site?

No? Neither have I.

Sorry, not advertising. I've seen many posts on other languages here so this is nothing new.