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Well.. the match just ended (football) and we made 2 goals.. they.. well.. they know how to build piramids, we don't.



I think next match is against germany (possibly..) .. Lets see who wins!..

germany is close to denmark so we have good influence on them. So they will win! Besidedes, KraftWerk come from germany too so they will win the match!

thefool wrote:KraftWerk come from germany too so they will win the match!

Boing Peng Boom Goal?

"Music Non-Stop"

I just recently discovered Kraftwerk (i have known it though but not their music) and its really true that it could be the foundation of most modern techno and pop music.

Das Model and Radioaktevität is probaly my current favorites but i only have like 20 songs from them atm. Autobahn sounds pretty nice too! just got the Trans europe express music video too hehe.

enough writing lets hope germany wins (sorry, dagcrack, i have to be on their side hehe)


edit: im in fact wondering how they did the first music.. i know the most recent is done on computers but how did they make those sounds that time? its fantastic how they got those weird tunes to fit together!

thefool wrote:edit: im in fact wondering how they did the first music.. i know the most recent is done on computers but how did they make those sounds that time? its fantastic how they got those weird tunes to fit together!

Can't resist... hey this is OT anyway

Basically, the way to make electronic music back then was not that much
different from today, expect for the huge amount of outboard equipment...

All the really good synth (until today) are from that decade (Autobahn was
sometime around '73-'75 IIRC):

Arp Odyssey and modular synths, Minimoog, Farfisa E-Pianos, loads of guitar
effects (Mutron!) and amps, vocoders are a relict of WW2 so they were
also already available back then... etc.

All of this has been triggered by hardware step sequencers (about the
same functionality you know from trackers, but really limited). I guess
they even did manual overdubs.

All in all there wasn't a real quantum step in the last 30 years.
I mean everything has gone digital and much more affordable, but the
basics are still the same.

It's also really common to still meet all of this equipment in today's
studios all around the world. Digital synth never succeeded to really
emulate the sound. Also a lot of people love the tight rhythm of hardware
sequencers as software still tends to "jiggle" (nothing the ordinary listener
would here, but it's capable of measurement ).

Well, these were the days...

traumatic wrote: All the really good synth (until today) are from that decade (Autobahn was
sometime around '73-'75 IIRC):

not until today it really is still

Arp Odyssey and modular synths, Minimoog, Farfisa E-Pianos, loads of guitar
effects (Mutron!) and amps, vocoders are a relict of WW2 so they were
also already available back then... etc.

ah i didnt think vocoders were available that time!

Well, these were the days...

heh i wasnt born back then (or i was pretty young some of them).. Now i guess they use computers for it (kernkraft. vitamin, aerodynamik etc was made in these years.. afaik they were/are on a big tour this year.)
or are they still using that old hardware??


some funny thing i have noticed is that times imagination of robots etc. I remember queens Radio Gaga music video wich inludes different things like this. Also how the robot usually looks on that time.


i often think about beginning to make music that sounds like kraftwerk's. Not copying it! but just the same simplicity and originalism of it. it should be possible using flstudio.

Do you recommend any other [rather cheap] software than flstudio to accomplish this? I know fl studio can be used for something like this [and more] as it has some "Generators" that tries to emulate oscialltors and that stuff. Also guitar eg i actually think it does it pretty well! also vocoder and that stuff is included.


heh about it being "those days" i often think about how i would like to been born that time. it must have been exiting all that stuff its much more new than anything that happens these days. I like queen's music and now i found kraftwerk i like it too! the moment i just heard one of the songs i like it. their webpage really attracts me hehe even though its weird i actually spend more than 20 minutes playing! it doesnt say much and most of it is some kind of playing with the mouse. pretty damn nice.

However queen isnt anymore (well at least freddy isnt here anymore.. the queen + paul rodger tour is pretty nice and i have gotten many videos and personal recordnings of it. its okay, however never the same as with freddie..).. kraftwerk still plays though! nah its just the basics of what the 70+80 represents (in technology world) that im facinated of. Not the hippies eg hehe just the basic imagination of robots etc.. and the music.

thefool wrote:ah i didnt think vocoders were available that time!

Vocoders originally have a military background. They have been invented
to encode speech signals for radio-transmission... no good idea, much better
in a musical context

or are they still using that old hardware??

I don't know about Kraftwerk but there are still people that swear by
hardware sequencers because they simply don't crash that often.

The same for synth (plus the original sound) but most of the electronic
bands use mainly playbacks today AFAIK. Well, not the ordinary 2-track
playback but 8-24 tracks, to have more control over certain sounds,
because volume level of certain sounds/instruments can also depend on
the location.

Do you recommend any other [rather cheap] software than flstudio to accomplish this?

I don't really know FruityLoops but often recommend NI Reason for starters
(in electronic music), because it's an all in one tool (synth, sampler,
sequencer, effects) and fairly easy to use. Fruityloops has a VST plugin
interface AFAIK, so it's most likely not a bad choice (extendable).

Well, I don't think making music is a matter of soft- or hardware.
Use whatever tools you feel comfortable with - your euqipment will
change anyway the better you get...

traumatic wrote: Vocoders originally have a military background. They have been invented
to encode speech signals for radio-transmission... no good idea, much better
in a musical context

heh if it sounds that way as they do in music its not good coded hehe
anyway how would they reverse it quite good enough if they really did code it enough so it couldnt be heard..

I don't really know FruityLoops but often recommend NI Reason for starters
(in electronic music), because it's an all in one tool (synth, sampler,
sequencer, effects) and fairly easy to use. Fruityloops has a VST plugin
interface AFAIK, so it's most likely not a bad choice (extendable).

Yeah it has a vst plugin interface. However i have heard good things about Reason, its just not cheap.ought it. btw reason is propellerhead.
the prize for 3.0 is 450€ .. too expensive for me.

Well, I don't think making music is a matter of soft- or hardware.
Use whatever tools you feel comfortable with - your euqipment will
change anyway the better you get...

true however some software might be better for something than others!

They wont win.. I'm putting drugs in their sausages and beer!
Anyway I bet you a beer that my team wins. I got my reasons to say this as well.

And stop hijacking my football thread with music, jeez..

you gotta mail be a beer then! make sure its a special one from your country.!

just noticed in Kling Klang you can really hear the instruments. its just done in a good way monotomic, and with a kind of flanger.. and nice synts in back!

thefool wrote:btw reason is propellerhead.

nm. Reaktor is native instruments.

It's still embarrassing.
I was beta tester for Reason so I should know which company made it.

Well...

ahh