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All,

As a win32 SDK programmer for the last 5 years, I have the following C libraries in my personal toolkit.....

Office Style menus (Icons, shaded background, shadows)
Proper, fully implemented Toolbars, Office style and standard.
Proper, fully implemented Coolbars, Office style and standard.
Owner Draw buttons, including regions (98 and a seperate 2000/XP version)
XP style controls (some with skinnable features) for ALL windows platforms (98/2000 and yes XP).

The above libraries will help in producing 'Real World' professional looking applications.

I am a commercial developer, so don't expect the FULL versions for free although I would produce a community version of the libraries.

Questions:
(1) What is the approximate number of users of PB.
If the markets not there, the project won't happen.

(2) Would PB developers prefer PB libraries or DLL's?.


BTW: yes I said C libraries not assembler, and no, I'm neither going to rewrite or otherwise hand optimise to assembler, so don't bother me with this. Programming the Windows SDK in C & C++ has served me well over the years.

(2) Would PB developers prefer PB libraries or DLL's?.

i would absolutely prefer PB libraries.

I would also prefer PB libs

gmatthews,

I am also a commercial developper, but when I post here it is usually not to get up in the night to give bottles to babies who don't cry.

Just post code here telling people if you accept they copy / paste it, or don't post.

Sorry if you do not agree but it is a space for freedom I guess for thousands of PureBasic's users.

I am also a commercial developer, but when I post here it is usually not to get up in the night to give bottles to babies who don't cry.

I have noted that on these forums, people can be very childish at times.
Its interesting that generally the poorer a persons programming ability, the more childish he (and its always a he) is on a forum.
Get out more folks, meet some women (the real fleshy ones, not the type you view on the internet).

I have also noted that most on here expect libraries for free and get really upset if expected to pay for them. It has been proven that shareware rarely works (most developers now only offer a limited trial version of their products)

I do not expect any library ...

that seems a little too sweeping a statement about people and their programming ability. i am a Ph.D canidate in neuroscience, however i dont make statements about the scientific knowledge of others having anything to do with their attitudes. it would be great to have some libraries that enhance PB. even if they cost a little $$. look at purevision. that isnt free, but it is a awesome tool. and many people have bought it, me for one. if you want to make some libraries for PB and charge for it, thats your right. i am sure many people will buy they if they are reasonably priced. purevision is 25 USD, and that is a more than fair price. you could even have 2 levels of your lib. one for people who want it only for personal use, that one should be at a very fair price. and a professional one for people who want to use it for their commercial applications. that way, everyone wins, you make money off your ideas, the little guy pays a little and can make cool menus for himself, and the developer spends some money for further enhancement of his programs.

localmotion34,

I love you are graduating to PhD ...

And I guess you understood me inside lines. Maybe other people too ?

I'm not a commercial developer.

I'm very sorry gmatthews.

I'm not a a skilled programmer like you and my house is not full of women.

I'm very sorry gmatthews.

And I don't understand business like you (viewtopic.php?t=11740&highlight=gmatthews).

Shame on me...

Please send us your incredible libraries and maybe add some of your extra girls.

Thank you.
Alberto

Just my 2 cents...

Show us what you have to offer and it's price tag...

Those who believe it's the right price for the right tool, will buy it!

In fact i believe that's the reason we have all bought PB

we are not attacking you gmathews, we are simply saying that if you want to charge for your libs, thats your perogative. but ive noticed that the PB community is extremely helpful and fair. we are all here to enjoy programming. and if we can further enjoy programming with cool menus and what not, wed only ask that it be a fair price to both you and us. and if your libs are written in C, then if you wanted to port them to ASM libs, you could always use library designer which does suck a trick. then sell the ASM libs at your price, which everyone will win. we get optimized ASM libs and you get your price for them.

localmotion34 wrote:you could always use library designer which does suck a trick.

lol

- np

gmatthews:

You sure know how to turn off your potential customers.

And one of the first posts to a new communit full of a few thousand potential customers SHOULD NOT be to attempt to piss them off by calling them childish or telling them "not to bother" you with questions or requests about your products. If you have a decent product then post it and we'll all decide for ourselves if it's worth any further looking into. If you don't want anyone to take you seriously then by all means, keep posting derogatory statements about the community you are trying to sell your stuff too

@NoaPhence: Why are you attacking me about my posts when i see you post such messages as a simple "Lol". If it was in the offtopic it was okay. I hope you see my point

@gmatthews: I would like a demonstration of your work. But i agree to karbon that you should not piss off a community. And i also agree to fweil, that this is a cool place for small pb developers to show and share their work. But i am not saying that i wouldnt like to see your stuff. but before saying things like

If the markets not there, the project won't happen.

you should notice that all us "childish" developers share our big work mostly for free, and we dont care about if 3 people wants our stuff or 100 people. I am not a proffesional developer and im still not very good at pb, allthough i can make a trick or two.

@NoaPhence: Was this post good enough?
sorry for not spelling you name correcly but im on a hurry

If you are a hobby programmer that might be true NP, but personally I don't bank on freeware that much. Typically, and note I did say TYPICALLY, commercial software (including utilities and libraries) are of better quality than freeware ones. When writing commercial software it is best to buy something and get a promise of support rather than use a freebie that might disappear in a month or two.

For example.. There are many posts about sending and receiving email on this forum with plenty of working PB examples. I still purchased a pop3/smtp library for use with kBilling because I wanted to be absolutely sure that it worked and that if it didn't work I could go straight to the source with a legitimate complaint and request bug fixes.