Windows 10

[Danilo]

Sounds a lot like whining to me.

Yeah.

[the.weavster]

Whilst Linux remains fragmented and continues it's over reliance on using terminal and running scripts to install programs its never going to appeal to the common computer user.

I don't know any Linux distro that doesn't have a package manager included. When I first tried Linux I couldn't believe how easy installing software was! With Windows if I wanted to install multiple programs I'd have to go to multiple web sites, download an installer for each one and run them one after the other. With Linux I opened the package manager, clicked the checkbox next to each application I wanted and then clicked 'Apply'. How could it be any easier? In fact the Linux repositories and package manager model is so excellent Apple, Microsoft and Google have all copied the idea except they call their versions 'app stores'.


If you're looking for a distro for the 'common computer user' I'd recommend Ubuntu Mate or Linux Mint Mate.

[heartbone]

thank you heartbone for the info

I sincerely appreciate the appreciaters.
Thank you for the kind words jack.

Re-thinking it, you are probably right. People also use Facebook and other data/information collecting things,
because people seem to like free things, including free advertisements.

And now you get it. Windows won't go away.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... amechanger

Furthermore people today don't give a shit about privacy issues and are willing to conduct full blown surveillance
on each other through facebook and other social medias.

Reading a disclaimer and license agreement is something in the past unless there are pictures.

Today: If you don't have a facebook-, twitter-, instagram- and/or a snapchat account today - you're a weirdo and show a tendency towards asocial behaviour.

Now, if you add to the fact that:

1. The majority of people are buying a windows compatible pc, though something seems to indicate, that:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10 ... w-macbook/
2. Most new rigs are sold with windows.
3. People don't give a crap about commercials, they just swallow everything
coming from all media outlets. We are incarnated consumers - not people.
4. Most people can't read more than an A4 paper sized text without falling asleep.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog ... ticle.html
5. Mobile phones have made the majority mentally handicapped.
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/h ... -1.2280611

Today, everything is 'Google a question' and the search result must be no longer than 3 lines.

Example: Take some newcomers (even some oldtimers) to programming: Read some their questions and wishlist.
Something tells me, that reading a f..... manual is way too hard to get through and understand.
I might piss off some people here, but I really don't care.
People are getting waaay too lazy and expect everything out of nothing!

example: http://www.purebasic.fr/english/viewtop ... =4&t=62907
Really folks, that's an issue adding two quotation marks as return value? And the remarks are event worse.
Come on...Flame me! Still don't care one bit.

Here are some links to read:

http://blog.laptopmag.com/windows-10-vs-os-x
http://www.headsupenglish.com/index.php ... ect-memory


It doesn't matter if things are crap...That goes for both OS/X and Windows. People are willing to get butt.... as long
as they get the best entertainment platform and they will swallow everything as is.

I work on Windows and will eventually buy Windows 10 Enterprise (not home or pro), because I know people and their fallacies.

EOF.

Brutally honest and very true DK_PETER.
Your post is well worth rereading.
And those cell phones also affect memory in ways other than is mentioned in that article.
As the article was oriented towards students, then this quick link is somewhat relevant in the context of newer versions of Windows® emphasizing support for mobile devices.

Whilst Linux remains fragmented and continues it's over reliance on using terminal and running scripts to install programs its never going to appeal to the common computer user.

I don't know any Linux distro that doesn't have a package manager included. When I first tried Linux I couldn't believe how easy installing software was! With Windows if I wanted to install multiple programs I'd have to go to multiple web sites, download an installer for each one and run them one after the other. With Linux I opened the package manager, clicked the checkbox next to each application I wanted and then clicked 'Apply'. How could it be any easier? In fact the Linux repositories and package manager model is so excellent Apple, Microsoft and Google have all copied the idea except they call their versions 'app stores'.

If you're looking for a distro for the 'common computer user' I'd recommend Ubuntu Mate or Linux Mint Mate.

All very true and while your post is off topic, I grok why the disinfo needs to be refuted.

All that I have to add new to this discussion today is that I think that M$ is messing up by so tightly linking Cortana with the data transfers to outside servers.

Quoting from the page that DK_PETER linked above...

"Cortana, a voice-enabled personal assistant that does more than just answer questions, is the star of the show for Windows 10. Like Google Now, Cortana provides cards that give you a quick glance at the weather, news, sports scores, restaurant recommendations and more. Cortana gets smarter the more you use it, but you can personalize it right off the bat via the Notebook settings. Where the heck is Siri for the desktop, Apple? It remains missing in action in El Capitan.

I especially like that Windows 10 lets you use your voice to dictate both emails and reminders. The reminders can be contextual, too. For example, I asked Cortana to remind me to ask Avram about our Windows 10 coverage plans next time I email him. Sure enough, a little alert popped up while I was writing the message in the Mail app."

I am confident that this functionality could be enabled without all the spyware that M$ (NSA?) specifies must come along for the ride.

I mean come on now... is it necessary to send all audio to M$, just to be able to use Cortana?
Really!?!?

[blueznl]

Today: If you don't have a facebook-, twitter-, instagram- and/or a snapchat account today - you're a weirdo and show a tendency towards asocial behaviour.

I am asocial! Yes! I finally belong to some group!

[Teddy Rogers]

I don't know any Linux distro that doesn't have a package manager included.

You have misinterpreted what I wrote, I never stated a Linux distro does or does not include a package manager. What I implied is there are programs you have to default back to terminal to install depending on Linux distribution. Two recent examples come to mind are VMWare Linux and Comodo Antivirus Linux. I don't see many lay persons being able to do that so easily with a common Linux distribution such as Linux Mint...

Ted.

[heartbone]

More up to date information about what not to install to avoid the spyware:
Microsoft backports privacy-invading Windows 10 features to Windows 7, 8

KB 3068708 << new
KB 3022345
KB 3075249
KB 3080149

Based on their recent behavior, I can not disparage M$, they've done it all by themselves.
These sneaky reprehensible acts are beyond disgusting, and M$ is fast approaching repugnant.

Because European culture in general seems more ethical than the post 911 American fear based ethos,
I would not be surprised if some governments in the EU sue M$ over the backporting.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2978239/ ... storm.html

[heartbone]

Windows 10 Updates U-Turn: Microsoft Details Changes

Hard for me to believe that they did not anticipate that the business (Enterprise) users would need and want actual control of their machines.
Not so hard to believe that they think the sleeple will accept the monitoring.

[heartbone]

I think there are too many who've lost sight of what a computer operating system is supposed to do.

^ THIS. An operating system is meant to be like a country road, with apps being the vehicles. But the road seems to be taking over too much now, with red lights everywhere, and toll booths, and making you pay to park instead of letting you park for free at the kerb, and all that sort of crap that annoy city drivers. IMO, anyway.

Your analogy is a good one Dude.

Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but this is somewhat important.

Since all that a good operating system is required to do is provide a good UI and environment to access and run application software, (kindly correct me if I'm wrong) I find the whole concept of being forced/coerced into accepting functionality that you don't want or need to get some that you do, to be totally anti-freedom and reprehensible. Without question the actions of a vile organization.

Fortunately for home use there remain legitimately viable alternatives.

[Zebuddi123]

Removing updates via command line for standalone uninstaller.
1. run console in admin mode
wusa /uninstall /kb:######

2. blocking telemetry vectors via firewall [ block hostname port any to port any ]
settings-win.data.microsoft.com
vortex-win.data.microsoft.com

zebuddi

[heartbone]

Removing updates via command line for standalone uninstaller.
1. run console in admin mode
wusa /uninstall /kb:######

2. blocking telemetry vectors via firewall [ block hostname port any to port any ]
settings-win.data.microsoft.com
vortex-win.data.microsoft.com

zebuddi

TYVM Zebuddi123.
Interesting... their use of the word telemetry.

My first exposure to that word was during my time in the USAF. I was working with the old, pre-digital computer systems. Both as a maintainer and operator. The earliest data acquisition radar systems that I was required to know about, were from the 1930's. Analog computing in general and specifically working with the electrical systems necessary to support those setups was a real trip. Operating the old school radars though was very much like video gaming.

[DK_PETER]

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2490499,00.asp

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operatin ... pcustomd=0

[Danilo]

Funny, 70% are still using old XP (12.14%) and Windows 7 (57.67%) - with 'free' Windows 10 at only 5.21%.
Looks like many people still don't like the direction of Win8.x and Win10.x

[DK_PETER]

Funny, 70% are still using old XP (12.14%) and Windows 7 (57.67%) -

You lost me at 70%....?

...with 'free' Windows 10 at only 5.21%.

For now...Just wait. In time Windows 10 will explode through the roof.

[DontTalkToMe]

You lost me at 70%....?

12.14% + 57.67%

[DK_PETER]

You lost me at 70%....?

12.14% + 57.67%

Hehe...I see now..It's all about how fast you read the sentence and skip the calculations.

Funny, 70% are still using old XP (12.14%)