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well excel is built on basic, has a basic keyword in it, what has java given us except google?

Open Office isn't that java (partsof it???)

I got here by looking for basic. I tell people my applications were coded in purebasic... Some ask me why not VB.net... I say I have no need for bloat and I like the clean approach to the language that lets me build applications the way I want to format them. I can use OOP if I wish...

I call my format gOOP... Generally Obnoxious Oblivious Programmer!

It doesn't matter what you use, it matter what you do with it.

Someone has a project to build in VB I can do it in 1/4 the time with PB and produce a smaller app and faster as well. OCX includes can be a bit of a pain but that issue has been worked out as well... VC++ same idea... Sizewise would be about similar but the advantge ther eis other people can read my code and fully understand what I am doing (or screaming at srod and demivec and others for assistance on HOW to do!)

If someone comments on BASIC, just look atthem and say - What do YOU want to do? I just want a chance to try and do it too... You gotta PROVE not simply retitle and demand instant glory! The proof is in the work.

I suppose for some it may be ego. The old programmers penis size thing...
Get over it folks... you want respect code well and make useful stuff. Respect shall follow... You want to crash together a gold farming bot or malware and a new virus... You won't ever get any real respect...

Do and Be...

I've tried to stay out of this topic as its silly but heres my pittence worth of thoughts (as thats how much i thing that people will listen them.. ie: not very likely)

Pure "Basic" isn't holding back potential customers. its peoples thoughts that are.

If someone is looking for a programming language with out preconceived ideas and take each language on its own merits then Pure basic is right up there with the best.

Those that say its not as good as C (or any other language) really like the features that are in the other language(or they mightn't even have tried PureBasic in which case they already have a closed mind and are set in their mindset opr been brain washed by fans of the other languages.. either way they will probably never give ANY other language a fair trial)

Companies Spent big bucks getting programs written in C++ (or what ever language) so they want the most out of their inventment as they can get. Look at all the software around in business these days still written in COBOL. A lot of them have been re-written in C++ as that was the main flavour at the time. things will change eventually to yet another new language further down the track. until then those who already have software written in C++ (and pay for people / staff) to maintain / update it will bve looking for those programmers who can use that language (no matter what that language might be) its only when the people recources start dwindling and can no longer get programmers that use that language (look at history with cobol to C++) that they will change. and i can't blame them.

Where PureBasic (and other languages ) should be looking is for NEW businesses / develpoers that DON'T already have a preference. then with more new people taking up their language the more it will be adopted and could become the new C++ or alike a standard language used by many. So if PureBasic(or any other language) that can say get into the major education systems for example could be the next language. thats how languages become popular (just look at VB its a basic language and because it got taught in many eduication places it became very populor) . promotion and education is the key.. not name changes etc..

rsts wrote: I was specifically searching for a "Basic" language. Had it been anything else, I would not have evaluated and purchased it.
cheers

Yes - in reality, I think we all did. Truth is you'll never get a job as a PB programmer. Those jobs will never exist. But. That doesnt stop anyone producing quality apps / utilities / games.

BASIC is what it is - it was designed to be human readable by *any* human even without computer language skills. PB is a quality implementation of BASIC that lets you do much, much more. Hats off to Team-PB for keeping to the essence of BASIC but allowing talented coders to take it much further...

This is just like the Megazoom/DSLR debate. A competent photographer can click better photos with a happy-snapper
type of digicam than I can ever do with an expensive DSLR.

So, this is also a matter of what you actually do with your tool(s), not what they are called. Basic or whatever. Right
tool for the job, not right name for the job.

this is definitely correct.
Any tool that is functional can be used by a talented human to build a good product,
an untalented human could not build a good product with the best tool.
thank to the gods we all have different talents.

I can agree with the last few posts here.

I think people are not discussing the power of a given language but how the name of the language sounds to them.
Purebasic is maybe one of the best programming languages today (I stand by my signature) and I think is
even better than C# (minus the web development). C# is bloated, the Winforms editor is buggy as hell, and
the language is just a copy of C++ & Java.

Purebasic doesn't need to be a copy of any given language.
It's unique and made for special tasks like application, games and utilities (maybe web someday?).

I made some applications for the company I work for and I must say they never crashed (are very stable)
and some of my workmates rely on these utilities as their everyday work tools. It was damn easy
to code them and one of the reasons I went from a Tech Support guy to a Software Developer guy
was because of these apps.

Nowadays it seems that everyone is programming for the web.
Maybe Purebasic could go that way too... but it's not necessary for me.
I have the right tools for the job.

I made some applications for the company I work for and I must say they never crashed (are very stable)

I completly agree with you guys.
Pure Basic and few other basic languages just only confirm the concept that you do not need to know C,C++,C# or Java that you can make good programs.
Infact many programs witten in this languages crushes from time to time.

a good "interpreter" ported around PB would be a good place to start so that one can use it for web page development
right now the one posted on the site tries to compile the PB code and throw back the HTML, its probably easier to make an interpreter and throw back HTML (like say perl does)
the other is client side support, Id gladly use a browser which lets me embed PB code (like VB.net does) into a browser and use the same.
Should be easy if you can simply write your own browser

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Hi
But then again, just how much purebasic code is going around ? Compare that against the huge amount of c / c++ code
out there and that code needs to be maintained and developed. If you are working for a software company you just have
to code in a mainstream language, you have no other choice. And NO, your boss is not going to allow you to write your
own subroutines or tools in a different language like purebasic. Coders simply move to another project or company
and are being replaced by other coders. It is simply too time consuming / nearly impossible to pick up what the
previous coder was using with his own derivative language. Only if you work for your self you are free to choose your
own programming language. And even then you can run into problems if you code in a none main stream language.
Some clients simply ask you in what language you are coding their product to be asured that their product is going to
be maintained for plug-ins, adaptions, bugs, etc. Who is going to do that if you are no longer around and the source
was not written in a mainstream language ? I think that Fred should consider promoting and market purebasic on schools,
uni's, laboratories, etc. Purebasic is both perfect for students to introduce them into coding and to make Purebasic
more known to the public. From there more potential customers will pick up Purebasic for certain projects because they
will realize that Purebasic is a full blown programming language. I think that it would be a good thing in publicity
for purebasic to put the focus on the fact that you get the same speed and power as with c++ but with less code.
And yes Fred, adding more coding for the WEB in purebasic is something really to consider as the WEB is a fast growing
world wide market and economy.
Greetings
cw

The 'Basic' name didn't even bother me when I first saw PB product. With the syntax alone that made me use it. Im still amazed with this language compare to c/c++ and other languages. Fast development with nice results. Especially the executable output is very tiny compared to others.

My very first project I made in PB is MMORG client/bot emulator 5 years ago and it can do any human can do ingame. But mostly can't do by human. Emulator client in less than 600kb complete with multiple interface support (console or full gui) with localization..
Map Routing, reading maps from extracted game file, auto-storage, skill attack, automation, party support, chat, etc.
Ive made several tools for other games too.. packet length analysis, extraction & injection. Its also possible to print directly ongame screens, sending custom packets and emulating server side packets. All of these can be done in PB.

But I use PB now for company needs... usually for analysis, automation and simulation.
My company doesn't mind what programming language I use, they want results and not the language I use.
Even if you code in c/c++, .net or a another mighty name language but don't accomplish anything with it then its useless.

codewalker wrote:promoting and market purebasic on schools, uni's, laboratories, etc.

Great idea, but potentially very time consuming. But that's how Sun succeeded (I'm talking dot-com boom - not the crisis they're in now) by being the server and workstation platform in University's that future IT professionals would choose simply because they were familiar with the name...

codewalker wrote::
And NO, your boss is not going to allow you to write your
own subroutines or tools in a different language like purebasic.

That's not the case for me in any of the companies I work/worked for and not the case for some friends of mine.

I agree with keeping BASIC in the name. When I tell someone I'm programming in a non .net BASIC,my power-user associates ask me which BASIC. When I tell them PureBASIC they nod and tell me they wish they could too, but their boss won't let them. They are stuck using C++.net or VB.net. Then they sigh in jealousy.

I myself used to program in Ada, but have always migrated back to some version of BASIC because when I use BASIC, the job gets done and I can quickly spot any errors. I love BASIC and PureBASIC gives me an extremely powerful edge.

Logman

no idea , i still think syntax ease is important. C is not bad C++ is crazy

alokdube wrote:no idea , i still think syntax ease is important. C is not bad C++ is crazy

C++ really isn't that bad.. once you learn the syntax. :roll: