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dell_jockey wrote:
Trond wrote:Aren't there any free?

check out GNU SmartEiffel
I meant: Aren't there any free, object-oriented language with these, should I say very basic, qualities?
- Very fast compiler which creates highly optimized executables
- No external DLLs, runtime interpreter or anything else required when creating executables
- Access to full OS API
- Dedicated editor and development environment
- Integrated debugger to easily trace programming bugs.
Now since that Eiffel compiler translates to C I'm sure it will use ages to compile a simple program. (Huh, only a few minutes for hello world, you said?)
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@white eagle, sorry for your problems, I hope that calling me an asshole/miserable person helped you feel better.
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utopiomania wrote:@white eagle, sorry for your problems, I hope that calling me an asshole/miserable person helped you feel better.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm sorry i brought the Paul situation up. Anyway, this response shows true class. Some people tend to over react sometimes.

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utopiomania wrote:@white eagle, sorry for your problems, I hope that calling me an asshole/miserable person helped you feel better.
I need to save that one.
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I hope that calling me an asshole/miserable person helped you feel better.
Should it? Did mocking Paul for what he is going through help you feel better?

For me, no. By calling you a name, I lowered myself to your level :(
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For me, no. By calling you a name, I lowered myself to your level :(
Lower? :?

utopiomania posted a few links from Paul's own forum.

Now who was it who resorted to name calling?

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utopiomania posted a few links from Paul's own forum.
And the purpose of doing so, especially the threads he linked to?

Kicking a man when he is down, is the lowest you can get.

Paul's financial affairs have nothing to do with the discussion of the OOP capabilities of Aurora and were only brought up in this thread as a personal attack on Paul.

Anybody who has bothered to look at Aurora also knows that Paul set its ownership up in a way that it is not dependent upon one person and so that it will never suffer the fate that IBasic did.

Those who chose to make personal attacks on Paul in this thread, pretty much proved the old saying about bullys. They are really cowards. They can dish it out, but they can't take it. You can pick on Paul, but then you start whining the minute somebody stands up to you.

You all can finishing arguing this without me.
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White Eagle wrote:
Kicking a man when he is down, is the lowest you can get.
Questioning one's motives is not "kicking a man when he's down". In all my years I've never heard anyone "beg" as much or as often as Paul.
White Eagle wrote: Paul's financial affairs have nothing to do with the discussion of the OOP capabilities of Aurora and were only brought up in this thread as a personal attack on Paul.
Paul's financial affairs have a lot to do with Aurora. Aurora had been suggested as a possible development platform to look at. That's why I mentioned it. It was not an attack on Paul, and I aoplogized for even bringing it up. However, the financial stability of any business is very important.
White Eagle wrote: Anybody who has bothered to look at Aurora also knows that Paul set its ownership up in a way that it is not dependent upon one person and so that it will never suffer the fate that IBasic did.
And just where is this information available - besides heresay?
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Dare wrote:Of the developer/partners:

1: How many develop the product or understand the code?
2: Is it just a way to distribute source in case this venture goes belly up?
3: What rights and liabilities do the partners have?
4: How is the profit shared?
None of your business. :twisted: but it is in good hands and has a long future ahead of it.
White Eagle wrote: Those who chose to make personal attacks on Paul in this thread, pretty much proved the old saying about bullys. They are really cowards. They can dish it out, but they can't take it. You can pick on Paul, but then you start whining the minute somebody stands up to you.
Naw, the cowards are those who run and hide when it's apparent they've been made fools of :) (see next quote:)
White Eagle wrote: You all can finishing arguing this without me.
Great! To quote another thread -
Character wrote:With all respect White Eagle, I think your are a bit too negative.
I must admit that I'm not very interested in your endless point of view.
Sorry.
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In all my years I've never heard anyone "beg" as much or as often as Paul.
If the "OH" in your info stands for Ohio, I know many people in Ohio who are in far worse shape than Paul or myself. I have family in Painesville that are dirt-poor. I have friends of 18 years who live in Jefferson who are really down on their luck right now. Poor and needy people are all around you no matter where you live.
However, the financial stability of any business is very important.
Then why bring up Paul's personal finances? It is obvious that Aurora is not a sole-proprietorship, therefore Paul's personal finances have absolutely no bearing on the business.
And just where is this information available - besides heresay?
My guess would be in the contracts signed by all parties involved. Generally contracts are not made public, and are kept private between the individuals involved. That is the way it is usually done in the real world.

It has been mentioned many times on the Aurora forums that it is not a one man show, and AFAIK, all active business partners are clearly identified on the forums.

But I guess it would be easier to keep believing that Paul, Kale and all the other owners of Aurora have put together this vast conspiracy to get you.
None of your business. but it is in good hands and has a long future ahead of it.
Like Kale said, its none of your business. In the real world, contracts are rarely made public or openly discussed. If anything, business contracts usually contain a "non-disclosure" clause that prohibits discussing the contract or other things pertaining to the business itself.

Since Kale is an owner, I think he knows a lot more about what he is talking about than you do :roll:
With all respect White Eagle, I think your are a bit too negative.
I must admit that I'm not very interested in your endless point of view.
Sorry.
Yes, I said Kale is lazy for not fixing an error in his book where he misspelled PureBasic. In this case, the facts are 100% clear. Could you please remind me what that has to do with Paul's personal finances?
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White Eagle wrote:
You all can finishing arguing this without me.
Love a man who is as good as his word :)

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In all my years I've never heard anyone "beg" as much or as often as Paul.
I still haven't seen anybody explain why this is causing such a problem for them? AFAIK, Paul's request is only on his site and only available if you actually go to the Aurora forums.

If you don't like Paul, or don't like Aurora, don't visit the site and then you have nothing to complain about.

Its bad enough to be going through bad times, without having idiots badmouthing you for no reason.

I don't own Aurora, nor do I plan to. I am not a member of the forums. I am not a friend of Pauls, but I am not an enemy. My heart truly goes out to him or anybody else going through hard times.
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White Eagle wrote:
None of your business. but it is in good hands and has a long future ahead of it.
Like Kale said, its none of your business. In the real world, contracts are rarely made public or openly discussed. If anything, business contracts usually contain a "non-disclosure" clause that prohibits discussing the contract or other things pertaining to the business itself.

Since Kale is an owner, I think he knows a lot more about what he is talking about than you do :roll:
Just to be clear, I am a partner developer and investor, not an owner. I have a responsibility to promote, market and help develop Aurora while taking a pre-agreed profit share. All partner developers have the same responsibility and share.

Also, i've changed the 'B' in 'PureBasic' in my book for the anally retentive of you. Along with a few other minor things. :roll:
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Also, i've changed the 'B' in 'PureBasic' in my book for the anally retentive of you.
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> Also, i've changed the 'B' in 'PureBasic' in my book for the anally retentive of you.

lol. As long as it wasn't called "pUrebAsic" or something, i never really cared. :)

Now, can we get back to the OOP vs. Procedural bashing again? That was more fun... :wink:
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Trond wrote:I meant: Aren't there any free, object-oriented language with these, should I say very basic, qualities?
- Very fast compiler which creates highly optimized executables
- No external DLLs, runtime interpreter or anything else required when creating executables
- Access to full OS API
- Dedicated editor and development environment
- Integrated debugger to easily trace programming bugs.
Now since that Eiffel compiler translates to C I'm sure it will use ages to compile a simple program. (Huh, only a few minutes for hello world, you said?)
Have you looked at D from DigitalMars?
IIRC Insight can be used as debugger.

Hmm... How about a open source BASIC to D compiler.... :wink:
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