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Well. I don't need MS anymore. After 20 years, they are really disappointing - compared to Apple.

I used Windows exclusively for many years, and I used Linux for many years.
I started with a Mac Mini round about 2 years ago. Got an Windows Phone for many years,
an iPad Mini 2, Microsoft Surface 2 tablet, iPad Air 2, Android Nexus 7, ...

After all that experiences, I finally got a Mac Pro now. It's just awesome.
The Windows environment just can't cope with the Mac cross-platform experience,
and I watched it over 5+ years. The Windows App Store is still empty, compared to Mac/iOS App Store,
after 5+ years of watching! It's pretty useless.
I don't need Windows anymore anyway, as all my commercial apps are available on Mac OS X, too.
And, Mac OS X runs smoother. Just works for me.

Microsoft Windows has nothing to offer for me. It's just getting uglier with every version,
and it's adding more and more Spyware, Keyloggers, and Advertisements with every version.
In my opinion, MS is going in the wrong direction, after Bill left. But, it's not a big problem... ;)
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Danilo wrote:I don't need Windows anymore anyway, as all my commercial apps are available on Mac OS X, too.
And, Mac OS X runs smoother.
That's the key part why Windows is so dominant on the desktop (and not on phones). Quite often you have to use apps that are Windows only. You are lucky you are not bound by those.
Most of the time I use OSX (which I like much better) but sometimes I have little choice but to start my Windows VM.
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Danilo wrote:Microsoft Windows has nothing to offer for me. It's just getting uglier with every version,
and it's adding more and more Spyware, Keyloggers, and Advertisements with every version.
In my opinion, MS is going in the wrong direction, after Bill left. But, it's not a big problem... ;)
The reason for this M$ direction is that the modern American corporate culture dictates that
compliance with the federal government's desire for control supersedes technical considerations
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Now who didn't see this next step coming?
Windows® 10 spy grid expands to 7, 8 and 8.1 users (video)

Thankfully there are many helpful expert users that are willing to help mitigate this deplorable situation.
How to Uninstall Microsoft Spying Updates from Windows® 7/8

A logical question is to wonder how long it will be before M$ will make it impossible to remove their spyware updates without breaking the OS?.
I'm typing this using Windows® XP which has been working very well without any M$ updates for over a year.
I'm thinking that sooner rather than later, Windows® 7 may end up in the same situation,
relying on third party solutions for security, which IMHO seems to be a superior experience.
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thank you heartbone for the info
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Danilo wrote:I have the feeling more and more people are now really moving forward to Linux and Mac OS X. Goodbye Microsoft.
I highly doubt Linux will be the go-to alternative other than for niche individuals in its current form. Whilst Linux remains fragmented and continues it's over reliance on using terminal and running scripts to install programs its never going to appeal to the common computer user. I can't see my wife, mum or dad wanting to spend their time trying to figure out what to do with a .deb, .bundle, etc or tar.gz file and figure out which type works for which distro just to run xyz app if its not found on the software center comes with the distro. A lot of businesses are too far tied up in the Windows ecosystem to dare to migrate to Linux and run the risk of having to retrain their staff on how to use a computer. Unfortunately Windows is not going to go anywhere anytime soon with or without privacy concerns...

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Linux users use more scripts than any Windows scriptkiddy heehee :)
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Teddy Rogers wrote:Unfortunately Windows is not going to go anywhere anytime soon with or without privacy concerns...
Re-thinking it, you are probably right. People also use Facebook and other data/information collecting things,
because people seem to like free things, including free advertisements. :D
There was a time most people were annoyed by ads (free TV etc.), but now nobody wants to pay something anymore and
suddenly everybody accepts and even likes Freemium games/apps/social platforms including advertisements and collecting all personal data.
I still don't like the way all this is going to. It's not only scary, but I simply still don't want all that ads etc. - that's why I use Sky PayTV,
instead of annoying advertisement based free TV - with many channels being really dumb anyway. I mean lowest possible quality, really.
Quality goes down, people get less educated, real contacts are less and less - instead it's all Facebook friends, walking on the street
looking down at the Smartphone all time, and everything should be free with advertisements (Freemium). People don't even think about
all the data and personal information collecting platforms. They don't seem to care about privacy anymore.

It's crazy people accept all that. It's really a culture in decline. Word by word: culture in decline.


Beside that, I've still seen Apple computer sales growing every quarter, while MS seems to have problems for quite some time.
Maybe there are still some people who like Premium and Quality. And, some people still care a little bit about security, privacy, etc.
I'm really wondering about the things MS is doing. I thought Win10 will be a better integrated and polished Win8, but I can't see that.




Same discussion in another programming forum: Windows 10. The epic fail begins.

Some of the concerns:
The issue for me is why Windows 10 want's all this personal information in the first place?. I don't mind submitting crash logs, but browsing habits, content of files accessed, applications used, personal calendar dates, contacts, emails and the last time I had a shit just doesn't need to be known by MS for any reason whatsoever.

I'm quite tech savvy and can disable a lot of this stuff but I must admit that the shear intrusiveness of Windows 10 worries me a little. What don't we know yet?. Why do you want to know so much? is everything I do important to you? do you need to see the content of all my documents, emails and files?, is my internet browsing and searching really of that much importance?.

Sorry MS, but if I want to look at puppies vs cats videos on YouTube it's none of your business. I certainly don't want to see advert tiles afterwards regarding dog food after viewing such content either. I'm not a tin foil hat brigade person but there really is too much unneeded personal data being sent to you for no good reason at all bar becoming an in-app advert based OS.

I think I'll take a far back seat on this one and see what happens. I have Windows 10 in a virtual machine and there is will stay just for custom app compatibility testing. Beyond that, you are not getting access to anything for the time being.
What's pissed me off most about all this isn't the extraordinary liberties MS has granted itself with Windows 10 via its EULA (at the end of the day, they have told me at the outset what they intend doing, and [having just cancelled my reservation] as I write this I still have the option of not installing it) - it's the fact that "DiagTrack", one of the main culprits (if I have understood correctly), has sneaked its way into Windows 7 and 8.1 via a deliberately vague update description.

I find myself feeling uncomfortably paranoid all of a sudden. I am a musician (composer) by profession and am forced to go to great lengths to try and preserve my rights to things I create (all scores have to be sealed, officially date stamped and stored in a safe to be produced in court should someone later claim they wrote it). Does "DiagTrack" mean that everything I have written since MS updated Win7 and 8.1 could potentially have been uploaded to them without my knowing? I have found and disabled DiagTrack in both versions of Windows - but who knows what else MS have installed (or will install in the future) which does a similar thing?

While in this paranoid state - it's great to know that people feel reassured by the fact that a GUI option enables some of the privacy-invading functionality to be "switched off" in Win10 - but how do we know for certain that the button actually does anything other than change the image displayed on the screen?

I had to buy an iMac not so long ago to do a lot of post-production studio work - as a result, much of the software I need a Windows machine for became redundant. Maybe it's time for me to switch to Linux - I reckon I spend 50% of the time I'm on my PC playing games nowadays anyway - it looks like MS is doing me a favour by encouraging me to occupy that time more productively!
Good point. I supposed they snag all the source code everyone's working on, too. Then the MS servers that hold all this data get hacked (almost inevitably)...
The European digital rights organisation (EDRi) sums up the company’s 45 pages of terms and conditions by saying: “Microsoft basically grants itself very broad rights to collect everything you do, say and write with and on your devices in order to sell more targeted advertising or to sell your data to third parties.”
This kinda makes me think that Microsoft is willing to loose customers for this, what small business owner in their right mind would allow anyone to bug their office in such a manner? The mind boggles!
I agree. For businesses the risk can be much greater if their confidentiality is in peril. If microsoft loses thier confidence, the consequences for professional licenses could be worth millions and millions.

If I were apple/linux, I'd play on this. Do you all remember what happened when microsoft first presented the new xbox one? They shot themselves in the foot concerning thier planned previously owned games policy. At the time, Sony played on this big time which helped boost the reputation of the ps4 and sully the xbox one's reputation at the same time.

Apple/Linux, perhaps it's time to go in guns blaring. You could capture a nice portion of the market if you play the privacy/trust card correctly.
I have looked into my crystal ball and have seen the future:
Microsoft are right in saying that this is the last version of Windows ever!

After playing around with this OS for the last few days. It's nothing more than Windows 8 with a Start Menu, a few improved applications with some annoying ones remove to be replaced by ones that I will never use and cannot easily get rid of. The user interface still looks like a it's aimed at children, and the new mail program with it's lack of access to advanced settings is as much use as a chocolate fire guard in the middle of summer in the Sahara. Plus I suspect it is spyware, as after I did a clean install and set every thing up for a local account, it doesn't work any more. I guess they are trying to get every one to buy a subscription for Out Look.

I cannot in all honesty see businesses adopting this OS when the have recently just move to Window 7 and it's server equivalent. And with the amount of criticism that they have had over the years, especially in recently with NSA affair, this privacy issue with Windows 10 along with no clear indication of how to opt out, and the fact that giving the OS away free for the first year will affect the sale of new PC's. I cannot see them having much of a future if this is the way they are heading with collecting data.
Before you think Ubuntu is the answer there are several webpages like http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.en.html that show that ubuntu has spyware just as bad as windows in it.
etc., etc...

At least many tech people are concerned.
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Re-thinking it, you are probably right. People also use Facebook and other data/information collecting things,
because people seem to like free things, including free advertisements.
And now you get it. Windows won't go away.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... amechanger

Furthermore people today don't give a shit about privacy issues and are willing to conduct full blown surveillance
on each other through facebook and other social medias.

Reading a disclaimer and license agreement is something in the past unless there are pictures.

Today: If you don't have a facebook-, twitter-, instagram- and/or a snapchat account today - you're a weirdo and show a tendency towards asocial behaviour. :lol:

Now, if you add to the fact that:

1. The majority of people are buying a windows compatible pc, though something seems to indicate, that:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10 ... w-macbook/
2. Most new rigs are sold with windows.
3. People don't give a crap about commercials, they just swallow everything
coming from all media outlets. We are incarnated consumers - not people.
4. Most people can't read more than an A4 paper sized text without falling asleep.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technolog ... ticle.html
5. Mobile phones have made the majority mentally handicapped.
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/h ... -1.2280611

Today, everything is 'Google a question' and the search result must be no longer than 3 lines.

Example: Take some newcomers (even some oldtimers) to programming: Read some their questions and wishlist.
Something tells me, that reading a f..... manual is way too hard to get through and understand.
I might piss off some people here, but I really don't care.
People are getting waaay too lazy and expect everything out of nothing!

example: http://www.purebasic.fr/english/viewtop ... =4&t=62907
Really folks, that's an issue adding two quotation marks as return value? And the remarks are event worse.
Come on...Flame me! Still don't care one bit. :-)

Here are some links to read:

http://blog.laptopmag.com/windows-10-vs-os-x
http://www.headsupenglish.com/index.php ... ect-memory


It doesn't matter if things are crap...That goes for both OS/X and Windows. People are willing to get butt.... as long
as they get the best entertainment platform and they will swallow everything as is.

I work on Windows and will eventually buy Windows 10 Enterprise (not home or pro), because I know people and their fallacies.

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DK_PETER wrote:I work on Windows and will eventually buy Windows 10 Enterprise (not home or pro), because I know people and their fallacies.
I have Windows 10 Enterprise installed in VMware Fusion on Mac OS X, and natively on a 2TB USB drive (using bootcamp).
MSDN subscription for 6 years, but this will definitely end 31.december 2015. (Windows and VisualStudio are both free now, anyway)

Enterprise has all those settings and options, too. You can delay updates, but if you do Windows Updates,
you still can't choose which ones get installed. It just installs what it wants.
With Windows 10, more control is taken from users. MS decides now what is good for you, and with the
collected data, they even may become very good at guessing what you want and what is good for you. ;)

It's just that I don't feel good when I am in Windows 10. It started with the installation where MS wants to trick users,
and after installation the check of all those weird settings. Maybe I have forgotten to disable a spy setting, or it is
hidden somewhere nobody can find it? Double checking... with 2 different options systems (Modern UI and Classic UI).
Do I really want to spend my lifetime with that stuff, that makes me feel uncomfortable? Getting paranoid and check
every day that spy settings didn't change after Windows Update? Maybe an update adds new spy settings?

BTW: Thanks for the URLs. ;) :lol:
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@Danilo

I truly understand your concerns - especially when you (like me) HATE to
relinquish control of something you basically 'own'. But the fact of the matter is, that this won't change as long
as things are the way they are. (You know, what I mean). - Sadly enough - there are no indications, that
the trend will change.
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My english is not that good to explain my vison on all this but ...
DK_PETER wrote:Sadly enough - there are no indications, that the trend will change.
When I red your earlier reaction DK_PETER, indeed I thought of that too, just because of your :
DK_PETER wrote:Yep..Dream on. Mac isn't better that Microsoft on any front. Microsoft dominates the market and will do so for a looong time to come..
Now it seems you agree quit a bit with Danilo, but lost quit your all faith.
I think that's one of the mosth important things not to loose.
To me W10 seems to be disliked as never before, just because on the forums I frequent almost nothing is posted about W10.
Isn't that great.

A lot of people are just unable to fight against that monopoly and so except there rubbish products.
Linux has much too many versions (how many already ?)... I like debian on my RPI.
Apple is (still) too expencive for most.
Andreas hasn't taken place ... yet. :)
Yeah I know, but keep in mind ... Leonardo da Vinci was also an autodidact.
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Now it seems you agree quit a bit with Danilo, but lost quit your all faith.
I think that's one of the mosth important things not to loose.
Concerning security issues, I've always agreed. About the operating systems (Win - OS/X) = same shit different drawer.
But there are no real choice if you you want to reach the masses. If there is, please point it out to me. :-D
A lot of people are just unable to fight against that monopoly
And that attitude is the default mentality and the reason, why we are where we are today. ;-)

I've now said my piece.

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On a personal level, love it or hate it, use it or don't, the choice is yours. Whining is pointless.

But on a professional level, they're unavoidable capital platforms upon which we make our living.

A realistic perspective would help. :lol:
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TI-994A wrote:On a personal level, love it or hate it, use it or don't, the choice is yours. Whining is pointless.
Nobody is whining here. People just discussed facts, observations, and opinions about what they are thinking, and showed
alternative ways they are actually going. Observing, watching, and then acting is the key. Whining wouldn't help. Acting helps,
but you first must observe and evaluate/judge the situation, of course. Discussions may help, but acting is still the key,
and that's very different from just whining - without doing anything to change the actual situation.
Most people I see here are powerful and acting. They take their precious lifetime in their own hands, and instead waiting
for years to something or somebody to become good or better, they are acting now. Life is now, not in the future.

Some people just tell about their experiences after they were acting, and about the Why they did it this way. It's not whining either...
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Danilo wrote:Nobody is whining here.
Danilo wrote:It's just ugly and worse than Win8.1. MS had it's chance, but after so many years it's enough. Every new version gets worse ... Goodbye Microsoft.
Danilo wrote:I don't need MS anymore. After 20 years, they are really disappointing...
Danilo wrote:...nobody wants to pay something anymore... I still don't like the way all this is going to. ... Quality goes down, people get less educated ... It's crazy people accept all that. It's really a culture in decline. Word by word: culture in decline.
Sounds a lot like whining to me. :wink:
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