Gas Prices RANT!!!!

[Kaeru Gaman]

i must admit it, i buy normal books instead of e-books. But thats a very GOOD usage of the paper.

that's right, a book is a good usage - as long as the content makes any sense, there a a lot of books the world does not need.

What else do you want to wipe your nose in?

cloth!


...what the hell, are you from the moon?

[Hades]

About that global warming thing because of CO2...

To me it seems like most Scientist agree, that CO2 produced by Humans (no, I'm not talking about farting ) is a cause for global warming.
You will always find People, even Scientists, that disagree, whatever the subject is, and have 'clear proof' for their point.
I don't know who is wrong, and who is right, and no one of you does!

If we try to reduce CO2 output, but it doesn't effect the climate, what have we lost?

But if we don't reduce it, and it has an effect that is as strong as some scientists believe...

So, as long as we're not 100% sure, wouldn't it be wiser to play safe!?

[Kaeru Gaman]

I agree - as long we don't let this actual show blind us for the other serious problems.

[thefool]

based on his avatar i think mr jiles would like to join us, baldric

Get Fred to get PB's 3D engine finished, then get a good session going.
Bet there would be some really interesting Demo's come out of that...

Yeah but don't invite kaeru gaman, he said i was from the moon

[the.weavster]

They also stated that you could "plug in" at home for around $3 US - about 100 miles of travel.

That's another bit I'm quite dubious about, it's going to take a lot of energy to pump those large tanks up to 300 bar, even if the compressor they've come up with is extremely efficient (as I suspect it might be because I think that may have been the real reason for Tata Engineerings investment). You don't create energy you transfer it from one state to another and each change of state incurs a loss. I haven't done any calculations to test it but 100 miles for $3- just sounds a little fanciful to me.

This is a quote from Angelo Di Pietro (http://www.engineair.com.au/airmotor.htm), an Australian inventor of a very nifty air engine:

100% more efficiency than our competitor is a very serious claim and should not be confused with some kind of publicity stunt were the interest is purely to try and make money out of some ridiculous claim.

I suspect I know who he's referring to and I suspect he might be right.

If we try to reduce CO2 output, but it doesn't effect the climate, what have we lost?

Extremely large amounts of money!

In English law we still have the presumption of innocence, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty - except when it comes to climate change. We are being penalised, in the form of outrageous taxes, even though the case is far from proven.

[pdwyer]

I believe that law is for criminal law only (assuming Australia is based on the UK and I think it is). Tort law judged "on the balance of probability" rather than "beyond reasonable doubt"

Just some probably irrelevent trivia for you

[mrjiles]

based on his avatar i think mr jiles would like to join us, baldric

I've been caught! Time to change things up.

[the.weavster]

Tort law judged "on the balance of probability" rather than "beyond reasonable doubt"

Just some probably irrelevent trivia for you

Yes, civil cases are judged on the balance of probability but you still have to go to court and have the facts examined before you can be found 'probably guilty'.

I believe that law is for criminal law only (assuming Australia is based on the UK and I think it is).

I would have thought the charge here would be 'criminal damage'.

Every now and then UK courts do something sensible and take me by surprise. The government wanted to show Al Gores 'inconvenient truth' in UK schools as if it were a factual, educational work rather than a political propaganda film. This was challenged by an ordinary member of the public who took the government to court. The court held a review of the films contents and ruled that there were at least nine major inaccuracies (the temperature / CO2 chart being one, the grossly exaggerated claims about rising sea levels being another, the drowning polar bears etc...) and the only way it could be shown in schools is if there is someone there to point out the bits which are complete fiction.

[thefool]

based on his avatar i think mr jiles would like to join us, baldric

I've been caught! Time to change things up.

nooooo :O
it was cool

[Baldrick]

nooooo :O
it was cool

Dunno about cool. Resin-ating perhaps.... :roll:
Cookies any1??

[pdwyer]

you don't happen to live in NSW mushroom country do you?

[Baldrick]

Umm, no, I did however spend roughly 10 years where Lismore was part of my service region with my work. ( Had my fair share of fun down that way you might say )

[thefool]

brownies you said? who baked them?? FRED?

[blueb]

I freaking HATE the oil companes!!!

"We only make an average amount of profit for out product."

What they don't tell you.

1 gallon of gasoline uses roughly 1TBSP of oil, cost per gallon of gas at $100.00 a barrel at 50 gallons a barrel = 256TBSP in 1 gallon = 50 * 256 = 12800 tbsp per barrell

1 gallon of gas oil cost = 0.0078125 CENTS!!!!!!!!!
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KILL KILL KILL!!!!!

Rook.... do all Texans try to blow smoke up everyone's butt???
"1 gallon of gasoline uses roughly 1TBSP of oil"

According to everything I've read (see below) a barrel of crude oil contains 5.8 x 10^6 BTU's and one gallon of regular gasoline contains 125,000 BTU.

This works out to 46.4 gallons of heat in a barrel. (If it was all made into gasoline)

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_of_oil_equivalent

I've worked in refineries and power plants for many years and I find this quite amusing!

--blueb

[Hades]

If we try to reduce CO2 output, but it doesn't effect the climate, what have we lost?

Extremely large amounts of money!

Are you sure about that?

Ok, you need money to build alternatives, but that money gets people employed in your country.
Where do you get that oil from? You don't get that for free, you have to buy it from other countries! If you create the energy yourself, that money will keep your people employed, and your economy running. At some point you may even be able to sell energy to other countries.

Ok, renewable energy isn't for free, and often even more expensive than fossile sources, but that'll change.
And if you think about the costs because of damaged health and other negative effects, there isn't much left of your 'Extremely large amounts of money'.