Some thoughts about the future of Pure Basic

remi_meier · Post by **remi_meier** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:27 pm

It seems so, yes, except there was something like

user agreement of the web site

where there was a small note that everything goes public domain... But
does he then have the right to charge money for it (if he did so)?

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:31 pm

There was no user agreement on that site. No statements of public domain postings or anything.

If there was, I would'nt have posted at all on this.

White Eagle · Post by **White Eagle** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:44 pm

There was no user agreement on that site.

Of course there was. There was a lengthy user agreement that you had to agree to by clicking "yes I agree" in order to join the forums.

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:46 pm

No, there wasn't. There's no one here either. Are you dreaming?

Can other members of that forum confirm they had to click an 'I agrea' at that time? around 2003?

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:57 pm

Why don't you tuck your tail neatly between you legs and sod off? Are you above the law, too

White Eagle · Post by **White Eagle** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:59 pm

Watching you contradict yourself, is getting boring. First you accuse Paul of selling your work without permission. But then you admit that when he asked, you said no and that he removed you from the forums so there would be no chance of your work being archived and sold.

Pick a story and stick to it.

No, there wasn't.

YES, there was.

There's no one here either.

Actually there is a user agreement you have to agree to by clicking on "I agree" in order to register on the PB forums.

remi_meier · Post by **remi_meier** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:00 pm

Actually I just tried to register on the current Pyxia forum (I know it doesn't
have to be the same as before) and there was NO public domain talking!
The only copyright thing was, that you mustn't post copyrighted things,
UNLESS you have the copyright on it.

Joakim Christiansen · Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:02 pm

And what does all this have to do with the future of Pure Basic?!
Make a new thread about this...

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:08 pm

you said no and that he removed you from the forums so there would be no chance of your work being archived and sold.

He removed my access to the forums, but not my posts and contributions. :roll:

Then he sold them.. Without permission, vilolating the law.

Sheesh. Have a nice day, I'll be back tomorrow if you want to take this any further. :roll: :roll:

Or in two hours, after a movie and some fun.

Shannara · Post by **Shannara** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:12 pm

Joakim Christiansen wrote:And what does all this have to do with the future of Pure Basic?!
Make a new thread about this...

If a mod would be so kind as to split off this thread to create another ... ?

blueznl · Post by **blueznl** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:37 pm

either that, or lock this thread, or get the culprits and lock them up in a cage... together... so we can bet on the winner...

it has nothing to do with purebasic, and is a bit negative on another language, which is below our standards... hey, we all know purebasic is the best, we don't even have to say other languages are worse, euh, no, that would be negative... let's keep it like euh... they are different

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:03 am

link of Shannara:

Copyright - A copyright protects the specific form in which ideas are recorded, and is the form of protections used to protect literary (books, articles, poems) and artistic (cartoons, music) works. Anything you write or records, even discussion forum posts, is immediately protected under copyright law unless you specifically place it into the public domain or some other licensing agreement (e.g., Creative Commons or the user agreement of the web site on which it's first posted).

Thats very interesting but this is American law. Would this be applicable to every webserver? Nope i don't think so.

I read up on copyright law here in the UK before writing my book. An as far as i can tell there is no official copyright procedure in the UK other than putting a '©' and your name and date beside your work. If you have something stolen, then you have to prove that you created it (and copyrighted it) before the person that took it.

Even so, this would be a mamoth task trying to do this across the net and across international borders (remember some countries don't like each other and refuse to cooperate over many legal matters e.g. UK and Spain, China and the rest of the world, etc..). If you don't have $$$'s of cash you might as well not bother.

This is a nice little link i found:

http://www.is4profit.com/busadvice/copy ... /index.htm
http://www.is4profit.com/busadvice/copy ... yright.htm
http://www.is4profit.com/busadvice/copy ... yright.htm
http://www.is4profit.com/busadvice/copy ... ternet.htm

What about computer programs and material stored in computers?
Computer programs are protected on the same basis as literary works. Conversion of a program into or between computer languages and codes corresponds to "adapting" a work and storing any work in a computer amounts to "copying" the work. Also, running a computer program or displaying a work on a VDU will usually involve copying and thus require the consent of the copyright owner. The copyright owner will usually need to give permission for 'adapting' and 'copying' a work, however you may not need permission to make transient or incidental temporary copies

Again though, this is UK law and probably not applicable in other countries. I think to ultimately resolve issues such as copyright on a public forum, you would have to look at the initial user agreement if possible. Then that could be followed up legally in the country that hosts the webserver.

White Eagle · Post by **White Eagle** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:04 am

Back on topic. I do not see PureBasic having troubles in the future as it is in capable hands. As long as Fred's financial needs are being met by sales, and Fred isn't bored with developing PB, it will have a long future ahead of it.

In my opinion, in the past few years, PureBasic has gone from being the underdog to now setting the standards for the competition to follow.

I am biased, though. I LOVE PureBasic. I literally haven't had this much fun using a programming language since the 70s-80s.

srod · Post by **srod** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:15 am

Yea it probably has gotten a little out of hand, but I don't think there's been any harm done. This is 'off topic' after all.

People will always make their own minds up anyhow. Personally, I liked iBasic and Aurora (as already stated) is an interesting looking language, which I may or may not end up purchasing.

It's like when I read negative comments on other forums re: Purebasic, it means nothing and doesn't sway my opinion of PB in any way. It's just one guy's opinion, nothing more.

srod · Post by **srod** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:17 am

I am biased, though. I LOVE PureBasic. I literally haven't had this much fun using a programming language since the 70s-80s.

Amen to that.