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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:43 pm
by KGB_X
maw wrote:While I support the idea of charging money for the VD I don't think this will change the current situation. It will not generate enough income for Berico to quit his job and it will not in any way free up time for Fred or Timo. Only way out would be another coder taking over the project.
I personally prefer if the language evolve instead of getting a new VD. However from a marketing point PB might sell more copies if it had a really good VD. In the end it's really up to Fred though. I really prefer a happy Fred that continues to work on PB for all eternity than either a new VD or new functionality
I think the developers are doing the priorities correct i just wanted to give feedback on what i would do to get a VD... If none of us are telling that we really want VD then it's "always" going to lag behind.
A new coder could possible do the job if some off us prepaid for a future product.
But the coder should really know PB etc.
Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 10:17 pm
by tbohon
Personally I'd have no problem paying for a Visual Designer ...
Tom
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:01 am
by Joakim Christiansen
Berikco wrote:Well, i have 2 options:
1. Spend countless days before the computer, coding on the free VD...make no money at all...
2. Work on my business, make enough money to feed 3 kids, pay for the house, and even save some money to go on vacation every year....
3. Open source it
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:15 am
by Berikco
Joakim Christiansen wrote:Berikco wrote:Well, i have 2 options:
1. Spend countless days before the computer, coding on the free VD...make no money at all...
2. Work on my business, make enough money to feed 3 kids, pay for the house, and even save some money to go on vacation every year....
3. Open source it
Open source, no way!
We saw what happened to the first PB IDE when it was open source.
Just start an open source project yourself if you think this is the solution.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:25 am
by IceSoft
Berikco wrote:Just start an open source project yourself if you think this is the solution.
Or write an own VD.
Seems to be some people here who will pay for it.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:18 am
by srod
We saw what happened to the first PB IDE when it was open source.
What happened Bericko? Though I can guess!
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:47 am
by Berikco
srod wrote:We saw what happened to the first PB IDE when it was open source.
What happened Bericko? Though I can guess!
Sold as a blitz ide with minor modifications.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:58 am
by srod
Okay, my guess was a million miles away!
That is pretty shoddy behaviour; not really in the open-source spirit!
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:19 pm
by Kale
IceSoft wrote:Or write an own VD. Seems to be some people here who will pay for it.
http://www.purebasic.fr/english/viewtopic.php?t=32247
Berikco wrote:Sold as a blitz ide with minor modifications.
I thought that was the idea of open source? Did they violate the license?
There are other licenses that prevent third party commercial gain while still opening the source code.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:26 pm
by Berikco
Kale wrote:
Berikco wrote:Sold as a blitz ide with minor modifications.
I thought that was the idea of open source? Did they violate the license?
Ofcourse they violated the license.
That's the reason the new IDE and VD where closed source again.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:37 pm
by ThorstenD
Berikco wrote:srod wrote:We saw what happened to the first PB IDE when it was open source.
What happened Bericko? Though I can guess!
Sold as a blitz ide with minor modifications.
And Purebasic is/was a 100% clone of BlitzBasic from Amiga.
Don't say no, userlibs, commands and all the rest say thats so and ist fact.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:44 pm
by zikitrake
ThorstenD wrote:Berikco wrote:srod wrote:We saw what happened to the first PB IDE when it was open source.
What happened Bericko? Though I can guess!
Sold as a blitz ide with minor modifications.
And Purebasic is/was a 100% clone of BlitzBasic from Amiga.
Don't say no, userlibs, commands and all the rest say thats so and ist fact.
Made from 0... not from Blitz source code
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 7:47 pm
by ThorstenD
zikitrake wrote:Made from 0... not from Blitz source code
But the complete concept is pinched. See Syntax, Inline ASM, UserLibrarys concept (without file extension - lol)... all pinched from Amiga BlitzBasic.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 8:43 pm
by Berikco
ThorstenD wrote:zikitrake wrote:Made from 0... not from Blitz source code
But the complete concept is pinched. See Syntax, Inline ASM, UserLibrarys concept (without file extension - lol)... all pinched from Amiga BlitzBasic.
So what, a there is not a line sourcecode from blitz used.
Totaly different case.
Dont say NO
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:59 pm
by IceSoft
How depth and dirty would you go?
I think that is not what the thread should be.