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rsts wrote:

merihevonen wrote:Wow, from what I read it doesn't even seem that PowerBASIC would be worth to leech from warez sites!

You mean you stopped at PureBasic

cheers

Ok, here is my opnion.

PowerBasic - it was the king in the days of the DOS programming

it had the 65k barrier cracked ASM support and 56700 connect in modem connection while quickBasic had 9600 baud rate.

i used PowerBasic to make BBS doors and it was superB.

then they came out with this stupid PBCC Powerbasic console compiler

which does the same but for windows.

i said cool its nice.

then i saw many other forum developers inventing so called DLL's that make your PBCC program more WINDOWS alike making gfx and stuff.

it was in the times i didnt know what are API's

each of thos lib's were spreaded around and Powerbasic were marketing in some way to help more developers make money by selling DLL's that costs over 50$ and more.

there where FTP lib, graphic libs and all sorts.

all these libs were milking money from programers and PowerBasic were bragging their super fast compiler altough it's IDE was a piece of s***
it was still not friendly and very slow (Even when the exe were fast)

the reason i don't like powerbasic is because simply their forum is not attractive and here i allways meet good people who helps a lot and create user libs so others can use in their own project and not start selling it in a blow out price.

i can understand a user lib that is sold for 10$ that is reasonable.

anyway PureBasic rocks, its fast its easy it can do ANYTHING for me
and most important we have the best community.

P.S

when i think about it nothing is missing i can program almost anything...
from SQL stuff to CGI to chat programs and even nice 2D games.

all in one, isnt that nice

P.P.S
its portable to other OS!

Brice Manuel wrote:

If it was allowed, I'd sell it all

I am not sure where you got the idea you can't sell it. You should contact your attorney. As long as you abide by federal copyright laws, you can sell it.

As I recall, the PowerBASIC EULA says that licenses are not transferable.

But even if the law says they are, the problem is getting PowerBASIC and the other vendors co-operate. Sure I could sell the software, give the buyer my serial number, keys, etc., destroy any and all copies I have. But if PowerBASIC and the other vendors refuse to acknowledge the transfer and treat my buyer as a customer, they are screwed, and I wouldn't knowingly do that to anybody.

I'll just chalk it up to another notch for getting burned by a software company and go have fun with PureBasic.

Pantcho!! wrote:the reason i don't like powerbasic is because simply their forum is not attractive and here i allways meet good people who helps a lot and create user libs so others can use in their own project and not start selling it in a blow out price.

Yeah, not only is their forum software anchient beyond belief, their forum members at times can be rather unfriendly. Just go peruse their general chat section they call Cafe PowerBASIC, more than half the threads in there end up as big flame wars.

To be fair I've seen a few flame wars here, but no where near the frequency they occur in the PowerBASIC forums....

I thought to allow *you* to resell the license but then i would not earn of course and therefore it does not seem valid to give the new user access to (future) downloads.

Imagne you have version #1 of a product while #2 is out.
the new user wishes to update but first he buys your license and then the update.
The price might become higher than purchasing a whole new license.
This might give me a bad name.

Edwin Knoppert wrote:I thought to allow *you* to resell the license but then i would not earn of course and therefore it does not seem valid to give the new user access to (future) downloads.

That I think is the whole idea behind vendors declaring licenses not tranferable. The don't want a new customer who buys someone else's license at a discount, instead they want all new customers to pay full price. To me its plain and simple greed and short sightedness.

I won't buy any more upgrades to the software so there's nothing more to be made from me, but if I'm allowed to sell my license, chances are the new licensee will buy upgrades so there is the potenial of money to be made.

But like I said, no problem, the software and license info has been archived to a CD, more than likely never to be used or upgraded. I personally would rather have an active customer than an inactive one.

Don't be angry, i am actually discussing this with you.
So your idea about these might be valid.

And then, if one is extremely dissapointed i can always one to contact me.
However, i seen you bought a lot of these kind of tools.
Thought comes to my mind that you have difficulty understanding things like windows api.
Therefore instead of buying all kinds of tools you might have inspect these tools better before purchasing.
(This also includes evt. e-mailing the vendor to ask specific questions)

The above implies that i can't look into your head why you purchased something and how your programming skills are.

If i am not aware, how can i know?

what product do you own and what version?

I can testify that Purebasic is the king of all languages!
I've used all sorts of languages (I'm no pro, I was just looking for a language to be my favorite one).

VB : I don't like the runtimes. The IDE is somewhat good but, for ages, the only objects you could add in VB were Acivex/COM and I thought that sucked.

PowerBasic : It was a wonderful DOS compiler but as stated before very hard for visual applications. I'd rather use DEV-CPP if I needed to hardcode everything like that.

DELPHI : Great IDE, slow and with lots of useless and/or redundant objects. Borland insists on adding 2000 libraries that serves no real purpose except for database. Even their internet libs are third-party. Also, they release a major version like if it was an update and I was always against that kind of strategy.

Of course, these are only my opinions towards the mentioned software and may not represent the truth.

Edwin Knoppert wrote:Don't be angry, i am actually discussing this with you.

I'm not angry, maybe my wording was bad...

I merely meant that at the time I decided to abandon PowerBASIC in favor of PureBasic, that if I could have transfered my licenses, I would would have sold them to someone who wants and will use them.

But since I couldn't (or didn't think I could), I simply archived all the software and serials on a CD and filed it, that was about six months ago. It's all water under the bridge now. Not even sure why I brought it up in the first place.

Thanks for the consideration anyway.

I have both your PwrDev and PBDev products and both are version 1.

Tipperton wrote:

Trond wrote:And some programs doesn't work with the wrong framework installed.

True, but you can have all three frameworks installed at the same time so that's not such a big problem.

No, I mean that even if the correct framework is installed, the program won't work if the wrong framework is installed as well.

Trond wrote:No, I mean that even if the correct framework is installed, the program won't work if the wrong framework is installed as well.

Gotta love Microsoft :roll:

Yay! interesting topic. Lets see my 1st cent is this:

PowerBasic gives a 30 money back guarantee... So, for those who didnt
got the phisical delivery... too bad.

Dont let yourselves get deceived, Anybody that doesnt know how it works,
will consider it a waste. But if the compiler its easy for you, and helps you
earn 1000000 dollars, would it be a waste? Its all in how you use it to
consider it a waste... or the best investment ever. "Its all in the waist."

If i dont like PureBasic, or i find it too hard to use, it will be a waste of
time and money For me.

I dont know how speed compares (and to be honest i dont care, i think
those are "compiler-religious" ways to think of something that should be used for work only) between PureBasic and PowerBasic.

I have found that most of the speed in a program depends on the programmer, and very few times in the compiler. Yeah yeah... Someone will say "This one can count to 1 trillion in 2 milliseconds..." or stuff like that... But lets get real, a program that counts to 1 trillion is useless. For test purposes only? Maybe... But i still dont care much.

My Second cent is:

Anyway... i dont see why should it be a "war" Purebasic has its users and
Powerbasic has its users, it doesnt mean one must choose one or another.
why not use both... or the one you like best?

I am considering (and already working with someone on this forum) to
create Demos for my Powerbasic products to be used in PureBasic.
So, i expect many people tests my product when it is available for Purebasic.

Oh by the way... be nice to me and point me to a place where i can
test drive PureBasic... The (demo?) copy i got doesnt run too well in this
PC.

Elias [/i]

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Brice Manuel wrote:This is the 21st century, nobody gets a physical delivery. Even MS & Borland tools are available for immediate download :roll:

Again... Too bad.

Brice Manuel wrote:Spoken like an app developer :roll: 2D RTS with 200 moving entities, 40 levels of AI each, collision, special effect rendering, and even using a que based system, you are still going to need all the speed you can get. Every little but helps

Point taken, However, i didnt said PowerBasic was Slow. Its actually Pretty fast (dunno if AS fast or ALMOST as fast or FASTER than pure
basic). Its just that the diferences i have seen between programming languages has been so small, that it does not worth to look at it (Except
VB wich is slow as... heck) , as most of the speed boost comes from the
graphics card. If that doesnt work, Then i think its time to get a gamer
PC...

Brice Manuel wrote:There is no war here. Each has their strengths and weaknesses and I love EZGUI. I was a little harsh, lets just say I was expecting a bit more out of PowerBASIC, especially based on experiences with the language back in the DOS days. Linux support is important for me, so that really leaves PowerBASIC out for now (unless I would use a different language for each platform).

Yay!! War is over! Where are the widows?

I dont celebrate Cinco de mayo... But thanx. Also thank you for the welcome, i hope i can work as confortabily with PureBasic as i work
with PowerBasic. Ill be reviewing it in the next days.

Checking the link, thanx.

Elias

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