I hate Bush and politics of the USA

[dracflamloc]

eh, I hate Bush and all world politics in general. They are all corrupt.

[Trond]

There is by far much persons killed in any country all around the world but the US government did nothing even when the North Korea launched missile with nuclear warhead ...

And we (USA) did nothing in 2003 when for socio-economic reasons France massacred 14,802 of its elderly citizens. France slaughtered more people in a matter of months than Kim does in a year.

In 2003 there was a heat wave, causing 14 802 more deaths than normal. Surely France can control the weather. Especially with a certain huge country totally unwilling to accept anti-pollution agreements like the Kyoto protocol.

I wonder if Brice Manuel was serious with this ridiculous post ...
Maybe he's just misinformed, but what serious media could ever claim something like that

If it wasn't for his track record I would've thought he was drunk when he posted it.

The USA didn't kill him, the Iraqi people did.

A boy and a man was out hunting. Only the man had a gun. They sat still and waited and waited. Suddenly they saw something in the bushes, a moose! The man fired his gun, and they saw the huge animal fall to the ground.
- Wow, we shot a moose! the boy exclaimed.
- Why "we"? the man replied.
They ran to the moose, but as they got closer they saw it was a horse! It was the old horse of a man who lived up in the valley.
- Oh no, we shot Harry Rannit's old horse! the man cried out.
- Why "we"? the boy replied.

[Kale]

I wish all Americans would wake up and take more interest in who they elect as a 'leader'. I say 'leader' in inverted commas because they are more of a puppet than a real leader. It's strange that key government figures are all members of the Skull and Bones. Hell, even at the last election both Dubya and John Kerry were both bonesmen, so there's no real competiton there.

America is no longer a democracy as the powers of government are no longer held by the people, but instead there exists a core of bankers, and corporate entities that dictate all government policy to the president. I mean would you give up the billions you are accustomed to making? Presidents come and go ever few years, these people remain!

The military also have free reign to do as they wish. Special access programs exist in the military that are so compartmentalised and need such high top secret clearance even the president or his/her cabinet never even know such things exist, let alone oversee them. These projects are raking in between 40-80 billion a year. I mean take for example the NRO (National Reconnaissance Office) when they made themselves known in the nineties they had amassed around 1.5 billion as a 'rainy day' slush fund.

Also have you ever wondered why Americans pay income tax? It's not in the constitution. There's not even an American law to say that people have to pay this tax, and yet nobody ever questions it!!??

This is not all conspiracy theories and conjecture, take a look for yourself. America is broken, and the people there need to wake up before the economy goes south and the whole place becomes a full on dictatorship.

[Kaeru Gaman]

A boy and a man was out hunting. Only the man had a gun. They sat still and waited and waited. Suddenly they saw something in the bushes, a moose! The man fired his gun, and they saw the huge animal fall to the ground.
- Wow, we shot a moose! the boy exclaimed.
- Why "we"? the man replied.
They ran to the moose, but as they got closer they saw it was a horse! It was the old horse of a man who lived up in the valley.
- Oh no, we shot Harry Rannit's old horse! the man cried out.
- Why "we"? the boy replied.

beautiful!

[netmaestro]

Also have you ever wondered why Americans pay income tax? It's not in the constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_ ... nstitution

Believe me, the income tax system in the United States is so hated by the residents of that country that if there were so much as a tiny loophole in the law nobody would pay it. (and Congress would hold an emergency midnight session to close it tight before the sun came up)

[Kale]

Also have you ever wondered why Americans pay income tax? It's not in the constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_ ... nstitution

Believe me, the income tax system in the United States is so hated by the residents of that country that if there were so much as a tiny loophole in the law nobody would pay it. (and Congress would hold an emergency midnight session to close it tight before the sun came up)

That ammendment wasn't legal:
http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp

More info on the history of the tax:
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 7175242198

[utopiomania]

I 'hate' Bush too, and all of his right-wing conservative politics as well,
but also think our American friends in general are amongst the nicest people you
could meet, so.. be nice to them

(I've visited the US once, went to Minneapolis and New York).

[Intrigued]

I welcome anyone to the US. Someday I want to travel to Europe and do a Euro Pass. I've got some German in me so that is for sure a country on my list along with France and others.

Till then I can watch Chinese Cooking Shows, British comedy shows (70's), and German and French and Russian news casts.



ps. Luckly in Florida we do not (yet) have an Income Tax. That was a plus for moving here. But, I also live in one of the worst counties to get a good paying job, thus I went into business for myself (and that's a hard road to travel too... months into the business and I have yet to get a check).

:roll:

[Derek]

You do have local taxes though? Or you did when I've been there.

[naw]

I dunno, it seems to me that everyone forgets that 911 happened before *Desert Storm II* It also seems that there was never any evidence that Iraq was involved with 911 in any way - infact, I dont recall any previous cases of Iraqi Terrorism in the West.

Infact the 19 US 9/11 Terrorists comprised 14 Saudis (2 of which lead the attack), 2 Lebanese, 1 United Arab Emirate (also a leader) and 2 Egyptians. The remaining 4 never had a Nationality identified. Saudi Arabia is a so called friendly Nation. There were 2,996 deaths.

In the UK, the 4 7/7 Bombers comprised 3 Pakistani born and 1 Jamaican born British residents. There were 52 victims. Again - I thought these were friendly Nations.

The 5 failed 21/7 East-African Bombers came to England as child Asylum seekers from Eritrea, Somalia, Ghania and Ethiopia as a result 34 other arrests were made. (thankfully no victims except for poor Jean Charles de Menezes). Again, I thought friendly nations.

Hussein ran a cruel regime that caused misery and death to 1000's. Wether or not he deserved execution can only be decided by the people of Iraq and its Judicial system. But still that same cruel dictator maintained a regime that prevented a country from tearing itself to pieces.

Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddams Reign accounted for 290,000 victims.

The 1991 Gulf War accounted for 358 - 378 Coalition deaths (24% through friendly fire) and over 100,000 Iraqi deaths.

By 2003, Desert Storm saw 157 US & British troop deaths and upto 1,887 Iraqi civilian deaths and 100,000 Iraqi troop deaths.

It seems that the cost of freedom is about the same as the cost of tyranny...

[Kaeru Gaman]

> Saudi Arabia is a so called friendly Nation.
> I thought these were friendly Nations.
> Again, I thought friendly nations.

do you really have no idea about the basic concepts of terrorism?

your examples should show, that nations (most times) have nothing to do with terroristic organisations.


btw. there is an organisation that kidnap people, lock them away, torture them,
often enoug harmless citizens just of course the nationality of their grandparents...

wouldn't you call this a terroristic organisation?

but the CIA is paid by US government...
...wasn't US a so-called "friendly nation"?

[Intrigued]

I'm confident (sadly in this case) that just about any country would fall under terrorist if the term was used broadly enough.

It's not what we have done,but it's the what are we going to do now that makes all the difference.

Can't change the past, but we sure have a lot of ability at sculpting the future as we see fit (as nations).

This is why I threw away god belief, religion for common sense use (or at least I try to use such in everything I do each day of my life, I fail, but at least I'm working to be logical, because things go better with logic, right?).

[the.weavster]

I'm confident (sadly in this case) that just about any country would fall under terrorist if the term was used broadly enough.

Absolutely, most of the IRAs funding was from the USA. Even after 9/11 the 'Friends Of Sinn Fein' were fund raising in New York.

[naw]

@Kaeru Gaman
My point exactly, thankyou. Our politicians chose our friends according to their own agenda - not necessarily the good of common folk like you and me. There is a common belief that the USA intervened with Gulf War 1 when Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1991 to prevent subsequent invasion of Saudi Arabia. At the time, Iraq had the 5th largest military force in the world and was a friend of (and had arms supplied by the west) but Saudi had the greatest Oil reserves...

@Intrigued
Yes - I agree. I have no doubt that Hussein was an evil dictator and should have been deposed. I am concerned by the manner of HOW he was deposed. Going to War can only be justified on the very highest moral principals because 1000's of lives WILL be lost. AFAIK the reasons for war with Iraq were bogus and that dilutes the moral argument. It is not good enough to say that the end justifies the means - it must ALL be without blemish.
The USA and UK now have a moral responsibility to make good on a bad situation. On the other hand, every *civilised* Western culture, France, UK, Germany etc has gone through a bloody civil war before peace. Can Iraq be prevented from tearing itself from pieces? I suspect only Saddams reign of terror prevented it for so long. The country should be carved up into thirds with each of the warring groups segregated. There will never be peace there.

@the.weavster
Yes - I have personal experioence of this. I worked in NYC for 2 weeks 6 months before 9/11. In every bar I went to (except 4 - and I went to a LOT of bars) I was approached by pro-IRA terrorist fund-raisers - it was made clear to me that not contributing would likely result in getting beaten up. I slid some spare coffee-tokens from work into their collection boxes...

In this respect - the USA funded over 3,700 Terrorism murders from 1969 - 1998 (combined Irish Protestants, Catholics and English). Of course the former IRA members (those not sitting in Parliament anyway) are now too busy running drugs, prostitution and extortion rackets to be bothered with sectarian violence these days.

Interestingly, 9 months after 9/11 - I was only asked to contribute to the IRA twice at bars when I revisited Manhattan.

Presumably, if 9/11 hadn't happened, there would have been another 1,200 terrorism victims in Ireland between 1998 and 2007. The Northern Ireland peace process didnt seem to be going anywhere until the cash dried up shortly after 9/11...

I apologise for not considering Al-Qaeda's 190 Madrid bombing deaths in March 11 2004 or the 202 Al-Qaeda victims in Bali October 12, 2002 (38 Indonesians, 88 Australians among the 164 Foreign Nationals) - its easy to think that only the USA & UK are the only victims...

[Nik]

You raise some very good points, howver I think it's hard to compare western societies with eastern ones, even the type of terrorism seems different, while western terror organisations like IRA and ETA though they kill uninvolved people as well, try to target political targets or warn before their bombing. Eastern terrorism seems like it's only purpose is to kill and to spread violence and disturbance.

I think people must understand that cultures are formed over generations, that is probably also one of the things that helped us Germans in WWII the Nazi regime simply didn't last long enough to really change the people. I don't know though why some parts of the world seem to be atracting Wars and violence for centuries. I think most often it's the disability of very many people to accept different opinions and believes. You can see that in small scale when it comes to unimportant stuff like what Operating System to choose and you can see it when it comes to more important stuff like who should have the power over Jerusalem. However I am optimistic though that better education and wellfare will help to overcome this natural human behaviour. Maybe it won't overcome the behaviour itself but it may change its direction, its better when people fight with words whoes Operating System is better than when they fight with weapons who should have the power over Jerusalem.