Some thoughts about the future of Pure Basic

White Eagle · Post by **White Eagle** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:48 pm

I think I'll take the GNU C++ compiler, make a few wrapper functions using 'normal words' as a library, and sell it all bundled up.

Welcome to how programming languages are made. We won't even get into how PB uses FASM and how all the PB "libs" which "can't be used in DLLs" are in reality mostly wrappers for Window's API functions provided in an easy to use syntax.

Is that integrity to you, srod?

To everyone else, thats theft of intellectual property.

Meanwhile, back in the real world... The Pyxia forums are private forums. The forums are owned by Pyxia. The can sell "forum archives" if they wish. Nothing illegal about it.

dracflamloc · Post by **dracflamloc** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:56 pm

Its the fact thats its C++ syntax, meaning he didnt have to do any kind of parser or compiler himself. At least PB needs to take its own syntax and turn it into fasm.

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:00 pm

Not necessarily since by posting within a public forum you way well be agreeing to wave all rights of ownership.

I, or no one at the Pyxia forums, or at this forums for that matter has agreed to wave all rights to anything.

Copyrights belong to each of us by default,

, and if you grab it for profit without permission, that's theft of
intellectual property. Sorry.

So there's your hero in a nutshell. I won't buy anything from him again, ever.

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:17 pm

utopiomania wrote:Copyrights belong to each of us by default

I dont agree. I think you'll find that posted code on publc forums is deemed to be in the public domain by default, unless acommpanied by the standard copyright notice.

Also, for example, in who's country are you going to take someone to court because of 'stealing' code from a forum? The author's? yours? the ISP's?

White Eagle · Post by **White Eagle** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:25 pm

Its the fact thats its C++ syntax,

Aurora DOESN'T use a C++ syntax. It has elements of C++, just as PB & Blitz does. But Aurora is definitely not a C++ clone by any stretch of the imagination.

I, or no one at the Pyxia forums, or at this forums for that matter has agreed to wave all rights to anything.

If you want to protect your work, do not openly give it to another person. The standard rule for any community programming forum is that any code posted to help somebody is posted with the intent that somebody in the community actually uses it to solve their problem. Besides, Paul asked forum contributors before he ever started selling the forum archives, and I don't remember a single person refusing to have their work included.

srod · Post by **srod** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:25 pm

I think as the owners of the site, then they would have the force of law behind them regarding this matter. It's not as if we enclose license agreements along with every post we make forbidding the sale of our posts etc.

Uhm, a bit spurious that argument I know!

People continue to buy Aurora because they trust the author and know how good a programmer he is. The rest is a matter for the individual concerned. I'd buy it if I thought it would enhance my ability to produce Earth-shattering applications (for that I'd first need a brain transplant!

)

Still, I know where you're coming from on this matter.

Anyhow, enough of this off-topic nonsense regarding a language I don't even own (

), time to do some proper coding!

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:33 pm

@srod,

@Kale, forget it. I could take him to court here, or in th US, no problem at all. He isn't above the law, or in this case, iternational treaties.
Grab some content from a major site, sell it, and test your own stupid ideas if you like to.

And of course I won't do anything about it.... It's just stupid, and I don't care, but he's no hero to me.

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:46 pm

Besides, Paul asked forum contributors before he ever started selling the forum archives, and I don't remember a single person refusing to have their work included.

This really pisses me off. I asked him to deal with this, then got kicked out of his forums within 20 minutes.

And after that he probably asked you? No wonder you never heard of people protesting.

We all got catapulted into an orbit around Pluto, like me. Yikees...

White Eagle · Post by **White Eagle** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:54 pm

Grab some content from a major site, sell it,

Nice misdirection and dodge of the facts. That has nothing to do with what you mentioned. Paul only sold the contents of his site (the contents of HIS forums, on HIS site, on HIS server).

Yes, you won't do nothing about it because you know you would lose any action you took, as Paul did nothing illegal.

White Eagle · Post by **White Eagle** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:59 pm

This really pisses me off. I asked him to deal with this, then got kicked out of his forums within 20 minutes.

Sounds like a very fair solution to your problem. If you do not want your posts on the community forum to be archived, then the only logical solution is to restrict you from having access to the forums and posting on them. He gave you exactly what you wanted and asked for.

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:00 pm

Look, are you 13 years old? Do you homework before posting, heh? Paul did nothing illegal in selling intellectual
property without permission?

Shannara · Post by **Shannara** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:12 pm

http://www.intelproplaw.com/Forum/Forum ... 1092319591
http://entrepreneurs.about.com/od/intel ... demark.htm
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum44/2043.htm

Google helps. Even some court cases to back it up.

White Eagle · Post by **White Eagle** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:16 pm

Paul did nothing illegal in selling intellectual
property without permission?

So far, you have yet to provide any proof of that statement. All you can come up with is that Paul sold the contents of HIS forums which are on HIS site on HIS server.

remi_meier · Post by **remi_meier** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:18 pm

I also seeked a bit on wikipedia:

In the past, in some jurisdictions such as the USA, a work would enter the public domain with respect to copyright if it was released without a copyright notice. This was true prior to March 1, 1989 (according to the USA Copyright office), but is no longer the case. Any work (of certain, enumerated types) receives copyright as soon as it is fixed in a tangible medium.

Although there is support in the statutes for allowing work to be dedicated to the public domain, there cannot be an unlimited right to dedicate work to the public domain because of a quirk of U.S. copyright law which grants the author of a work the right to cancel "the exclusive or nonexclusive grant of a transfer or license of copyright or of any right under a copyright" thirty-five years later, unless the work was originally a work for hire. [2]

And from a link of Shannara:

Copyright - A copyright protects the specific form in which ideas are recorded, and is the form of protections used to protect literary (books, articles, poems) and artistic (cartoons, music) works. Anything you write or records, even discussion forum posts, is immediately protected under copyright law unless you specifically place it into the public domain or some other licensing agreement (e.g., Creative Commons or the user agreement of the web site on which it's first posted).

I'm not a lawyer, but it would be interesting to know my rights.

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:23 pm

Anything you write or records, even discussion forum posts, is immediately protected under copyright law unless you specifically place it into the public domain or some other licensing agreement

So, your hero stole my intellectual property, and sold it. At least here in Norway, that isn't exactly considered okidoki, 13 years old.