To review; yes I bought an Atari ST and yes its because it was cheaper than the Amiga. Never thought I would be where I am today or I would have bought the Amiga instead but, it was a toy to me at the time so I got an Atari. I'm not proudtechjunkie wrote:Upps! I didn't read that... I didn't read that...Randy Walker wrote:the Yuppies Atari game machine.![]()
Damn!! That line really hurts...But it isn't true... Randy - I'll suggest you study some Amiga / Atari history!
Gadget?!!... GADGET!!!???? Did I just enroll in pre-school?
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OK.. Now go stand in the corner of the room...Randy Walker wrote: To review; yes I bought an Atari ST and yes its because it was cheaper than the Amiga. Never thought I would be where I am today or I would have bought the Amiga instead but, it was a toy to me at the time so I got an Atari. I'm not proud
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Re: Gadget?!!... GADGET!!!???? Did I just enroll in pre-sch
LMAO That was funny! Ok though, the votes were in a while back and I already surrendered to the majority. Since several have returned to this comment, I will offer one very appropriate candicate if you would like to persue alternatives and still maintain a more descriptive term. Instead of AddItem or AddGadgetItem, how about AddControlItem? This may be considered appropriate since so much documentation already refers to controls and gadgets as "controls".techjunkie wrote:By the way... It seems really stupid and unlogical to remove "Gadget" and only use "AddItem", "SetText" and so on... Add item to what? Set text - on what?Randy Walker wrote:Can you please do something to get rid of the extraneous gadgets?...
Well, if the methods where listed for a object... For example,
But with the way PB works today I think it is ok... We have to live with it...Code: Select all
New ButtonGadget MyButtGadget MyButtGadget.SetText("Atari sucks!")
That's my point of view... :roll:
I'm begining to warm up to these gadgets and plan on having lost of them myself... one day... when I grow up
Hey! So I was a little exited on my VEERY first visit here after deciding to go with PureBasic. So I could ONLY FIND ONE THING that didn't seem quite right to me at first. (Bet you didn't look at it that way did ya?) I've found you have a cornucopia of resourses here like I'm not used to seeing. (no, I don't get out much).
And one last thing. Don't be jealous because your first post didn't draw the crowd and get as many relpies. This is the first forum group I've joined and I really didn't expect it, and surely didn't expect it would offend anyone. I figured maybe a few chuckles. Looks like lots of people are reading this so just in case, I better repeat myself with another apology. You are all very commited and I don't want to give any newcommer the wrong impression. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I think PureBasic offers very professional functionality, a sensible code format and a rather impressive command set. Thats my final accessment and I'm sticken to it
Also want to say thanks again to everyone for so many contributions! And for your kind welcome... Thanks!!
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Re: Gadget?!!... GADGET!!!???? Did I just enroll in pre-sch
That's still a very Windows-cetric view. Fair enough, most people here are Windows types, but does it really matter what they're called? Most intelligent people will take the time to evaluate the purchase of a language and will end up seeing that a gadget is a button, control or widget or whatever.Randy Walker wrote:persue alternatives and still maintain a more descriptive term. Instead of AddItem or AddGadgetItem, how about AddControlItem? This may be considered appropriate since so much documentation already refers to controls and gadgets as "controls". :idea: As for this commentary, please note the above only
Once macros and PB v4 is released I fully intend to rename all the "Gadgets" in commands to "Doofers", "Thingumies" or "Whatsits". Far more useful and given the deteriorating state of my memory, far easier to remember ;)
If you paint your butt blue and glue the hole shut you just themed your ass but lost the functionality.
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Yes but if traffic is slow and you are quick, you can get squeeze an after-thought in before anyone else sends their post. You are correct though. It probably should not be used in most cases.LuCiFeR[SD] wrote:There is one problem with the edit option... it makes newcomers to the topic loose track of whats being said, especially if edit gets abused to death2. I just realized my posts have an edit option, which is the reason for this addendum It wont exagerate the counter.![]()
Since you brought it up again, is there a way for us to reset our counters? I don't want anyone to think I know what I'm doing here.
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> if traffic is slow and you are quick, you can get squeeze an after-thought in
> before anyone else sends their post. You are correct though. It probably
> should not be used in most cases.
On a similar subject, I think you have about 1 hour to edit a post before it
gets stamped with the Last edited by... message. Sometimes I post code and
have to fix a bug in it, and usually I'm quick enough to do so, but other times
the message gets there and others can see that I've corrected a problem.
> before anyone else sends their post. You are correct though. It probably
> should not be used in most cases.
On a similar subject, I think you have about 1 hour to edit a post before it
gets stamped with the Last edited by... message. Sometimes I post code and
have to fix a bug in it, and usually I'm quick enough to do so, but other times
the message gets there and others can see that I've corrected a problem.
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Re: Gadget?!!... GADGET!!!???? Did I just enroll in pre-sch
The company I work for writes for RedHat and SCO systems mostly, and I don't recall ever seeing the term "control" in any of the code I've seen there. I am not at all familiar with Lindows (or whatever) but it is my understanding that Lindows, Xwindows(?), etc. were all derived from Windows GUI concepts. If that is true (again I don't know) it would make sense to adhere closer to the originators terminology. When I first browsed the list of commands, I got down to all those gadgets and thought HuH! I was indeed looking for something more MS oriented. This may be inappropriate thinking but, I was after all looking at the list from inside the PureBasic "FOR WINDOWS" help.tinman wrote:That's still a very Windows-cetric view. Fair enough, most people here are Windows types, but does it really matter what they're called?Randy Walker wrote:persue alternatives and still maintain a more descriptive term. Instead of AddItem or AddGadgetItem, how about AddControlItem? This may be considered appropriate since so much documentation already refers to controls and gadgets as "controls".As for this commentary, please note the above only
As has beed stated on this topic more than once, it doesn't matter to the existing users so why be concerned about appearence? The impression I have is this product line and the standards therein stems from the Amiga days. Appearence affects sales and I'm sure the creator(s) knew this from the start so its not really our place to comment on it anyway. That being the case, I've already said more than enough myself (the crowd cheers
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Welcome Randy. Purebasic is Grrrrrrreat! So have fun!
A few links to get you started:
PureBasic Code Archive
http://www.purearea.net/pb/english/index.htm
Lots and lots of examples collated by Andre
PureBasic Resource Site
http://www.pureproject.net/
Lots and lots of sample apps, games, dlls, libraries, snippets, etc.. compiled by Paul
The Newbie FAQ
viewtopic.php?t=4876
You may get the RTFM gif posted if you ask a question from here.
The Survival Guide
http://www.xs4all.nl/~bluez/datatalk/purebasic.htm
The rather handy introduction to PureBasic by Blueznl
A few links to get you started:
PureBasic Code Archive
http://www.purearea.net/pb/english/index.htm
Lots and lots of examples collated by Andre
PureBasic Resource Site
http://www.pureproject.net/
Lots and lots of sample apps, games, dlls, libraries, snippets, etc.. compiled by Paul
The Newbie FAQ
viewtopic.php?t=4876
You may get the RTFM gif posted if you ask a question from here.
The Survival Guide
http://www.xs4all.nl/~bluez/datatalk/purebasic.htm
The rather handy introduction to PureBasic by Blueznl
The originator of it all was Smalltalk, and the terminology in Smalltalk was widget:all derived from Windows GUI concepts. If that is true (again I don't know) it would make sense to adhere closer to the originators terminology.
http://smalltalk.cincom.com/community/i ... sary#77051
As a mentioned above, almost all of the cross-platform GUI frameworks use the expression Widget.
The term Gadget is much closer to Widget.
Window's was a relative late comer to the GUI. The Amiga had a full mulitasking GUI in 1985, a full decade before Windows 95. In 1985 Windows was looking rather poor at version 1. The Atari ST used GEM, which also used the term Widget.
If purebasic were to standardise, then I think Widget would be the true crossplatform standard expression adopted from the Smalltalk originator's at PARC.
Control is purely a Microsoft expression.
Finally, check the definitions:
Widget
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widget]WikipediaIn computing, widgets are components of graphical user interfaces that the user interacts with. See widget (computing).
The Merian-Webster dictionary makes no reference to GUI's but the description is appropriate to the GUI use:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widget]Wikipediaan unnamed article considered for purposes of hypothetical example
Control
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control]Wikipedia makes no mention of GUIs in its definition of Control.
None of the Meriam Webster definitions of control reflect it's current usage in Windows.
Gadget
None of the sources give the definition of Gadget in terms of GUI. However, in every case it is listed as an alternative for Widget.
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Oh! bloat for all the platforms...the.weavster wrote:thefool wrote:but what platform has .net? windows. and probaly only windows.
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FreeStyle is comming along nicely! The editor is more-or-less complete. The only thing keeping us from release is:
)... And I'm working on a huge (and smelly) project ATM... Anybody know of a good Network Admin/Techie position??? 
There hasn't been a lot of time for SkunkSoft lately... I can, however, asure you that things are still moving along... slowly... The engine would probably have been released by now if I didn't currently reside in hell
Anyways, the next major step will be beta testing... If you're interested, sign up on our forums and ask Skunkie if you can test FreeStyle...
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FreeStyle is comming along nicely! The editor is more-or-less complete. The only thing keeping us from release is:
- Document writing.
- Creating example skins.
- Beta testing.
There hasn't been a lot of time for SkunkSoft lately... I can, however, asure you that things are still moving along... slowly... The engine would probably have been released by now if I didn't currently reside in hell
Anyways, the next major step will be beta testing... If you're interested, sign up on our forums and ask Skunkie if you can test FreeStyle...
http://www.skunksoft.com/forums/

