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Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 1 is out !
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:43 pm
by plouf
❤x1 wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:46 pm
But Windows 7 support ended January 14, 2020. Even Win 8.1 isn't supported since last January.
Many features regularly requested are incompatible with such old software. The most obvious example is a new WebView : Chromium dropped its support for those OSes, which are respectively 14 and 11 years old.
Marc56us wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:23 am
That's why there are still a lot of Windows XP (probably much more than 0.4%) and some even Windows ... 3.1. It doesn't matter what the updates are when you're not connected to anything.
I find this argument very weird, so let me sum it up : very old, unsafe,
buggy and features limited versions of Windows are enough for some specific usages, so those machines aren't updated. BUT, we need to keep new versions of PureBasic compatible with those old machines because
they need new features and bug fixes? What am I missing here?
And even if I'm missing some key argument there, I don't see how it changes anything. Let's imagine that there are
millions of XP machines not connected to the internet, enough to amount to 2% of all the computer in use today... Would that be a reason to limit the 98% left?
If a future PB version dropped the support for legacy OS, older versions would still exist, and they would continue to work as is;
exactly like an old and unsupported OS.
i agree about xp unssupported etc
ONLY dissagreement i have is that i believe that it should mentiom when official stopped supported XP , 7 etc so will know
for example is PB5,6 last veriosn fully suport XP? is 5,4 ? 5.0 ??
equally is PB6 last OFFICIAL and FULLY supported win7 ?
that way if someone for ANY reason need "win xp" development will use up to the last version
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 2 is out !
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:41 pm
by IceSoft
@Fred,
What for a Visual Studio Version is used with the PB6.xx?
Can I write/use Visual Studio 2022 for some "userlibs"?
Eg.: for the 2D Physics engine: Chipmunk2D ([Chipmunk2D4PB] 2D Physics Engine)
https://www.purebasic.fr/english/viewtopic.php?t=44068
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 1 is out !
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:01 am
by jacdelad
plouf wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:43 pm
❤x1 wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:46 pm
But Windows 7 support ended January 14, 2020. Even Win 8.1 isn't supported since last January.
Many features regularly requested are incompatible with such old software. The most obvious example is a new WebView : Chromium dropped its support for those OSes, which are respectively 14 and 11 years old.
Marc56us wrote: Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:23 am
That's why there are still a lot of Windows XP (probably much more than 0.4%) and some even Windows ... 3.1. It doesn't matter what the updates are when you're not connected to anything.
I find this argument very weird, so let me sum it up : very old, unsafe,
buggy and features limited versions of Windows are enough for some specific usages, so those machines aren't updated. BUT, we need to keep new versions of PureBasic compatible with those old machines because
they need new features and bug fixes? What am I missing here?
And even if I'm missing some key argument there, I don't see how it changes anything. Let's imagine that there are
millions of XP machines not connected to the internet, enough to amount to 2% of all the computer in use today... Would that be a reason to limit the 98% left?
If a future PB version dropped the support for legacy OS, older versions would still exist, and they would continue to work as is;
exactly like an old and unsupported OS.
i agree about xp unssupported etc
ONLY dissagreement i have is that i believe that it should mentiom when official stopped supported XP , 7 etc so will know
for example is PB5,6 last veriosn fully suport XP? is 5,4 ? 5.0 ??
equally is PB6 last OFFICIAL and FULLY supported win7 ?
that way if someone for ANY reason need "win xp" development will use up to the last version
My company is running dozens of computers running on Windows XP (and even Windows 2000). These machines aren't connected to the internet, so safety is not priority. They simply don't run with newer Windows versions and the manufacturer don't offer upgrade packages for these older machines. The only option would be buying new machines with newer computers.
However, I know I still would able to use older PureBasic versions to write programs and many things can be done by API calls and such, but it is at least an inconvenience to be limited to older versions.
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 2 is out !
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:27 am
by IceSoft
Its not realy very important how much machines still use Win7.
Its more important how much PureBasic Programms existing on such machines and still need an update with new pure Basic versions.
It is still possible to work with older pb versions
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 2 is out !
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:35 am
by Fred
I think I will revert innosetup for the 6.0x version as it's only bug fixes and a LTS. Next version (6.10) will official drop XP.
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 3 is out !
Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 12:53 pm
by Fred
2023-05-05: beta 3 is out with a few new feature and more bug fixes:
Code: Select all
- Added: HttpTimeout() to set a connection and a global timeout for Http commands.
- Added: GTK3 IDE build for Linux for testing (purebasic_gtk3).
- Added: ReAssembly (--reasm) support for OS X and Linux.
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 3 is out !
Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 3:39 pm
by mk-soft
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 3 is out !
Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 4:44 pm
by Janni
You're awesome Fred!
Have a great weekend
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 3 is out !
Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 6:55 pm
by marcoagpinto
@Fred,
The installer in beta 3 shows the old installation icon, have you created the installation files with the old setup?
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 3 is out !
Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 7:51 pm
by Fred
Yes, it's be compatible with XP. Next major release will use the new installer.
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 3 is out !
Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 6:04 am
by marcoagpinto
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 3 is out !
Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:12 pm
by Cezary
Fred,
thanks for the purebasic_gtk3! As I can see now, all I need to do is install only libgtk-3-dev (am I right?). Additionally opening multiple project files is lightning fast!
Unfortunately, the debugger still doesn't work with threads as it should. The program correctly stops on a trap within the thread, but after a single step it loses control. What am I doing wrong?
(Platform: Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamonn.)
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 3 is out !
Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:32 pm
by mk-soft
You could never really evaluate threads with a debugger. Here it is better to create a trace yourself with PostEvent.
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 3 is out !
Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 6:10 pm
by Cezary
mk-soft,
thanks for the answer.
It works quite well on Windows, I thought Linux might as well. In my application, a very large part of the tasks must be performed without interruption, and the user interface unfortunately has its rights. I don't see any other way than using a thread. As for the debugger - it remains to use "Debug" or output to the console.
Re: PureBasic 6.02 beta 3 is out !
Posted: Mon May 08, 2023 4:43 pm
by Mindphazer
I get a linker error when i try to compile my Puretris game (see
viewtopic.php?t=81423)
I don't get this error with PB 6.00 and PB 6.01...
