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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:34 pm
by lexvictory
Fangbeast wrote:P.s. One put down that I could never understand was being called a "portable pine tree". Anyone understand that one?????
That IS a strange one.
My best guess would be that... well.. pine trees are used to piss on... (Like that beer ad :lol:)
But somehow that doesn't seem right.


But on the topic of PB's original post - no way, we all laugh at the English, not at KCC.
Heck, even this snippet makes me laugh, because it's not quite translated correctly, but we know what it means...
"Quand on sait pas, on a qu'a fermer sa gueule"
When we don't know, we must shut your mouth
"We must shut your mouth" makes me laugh

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:49 pm
by Kaeru Gaman
we have a nice Version in German:
"Wenn man keine Ahnung hat, einfach mal die Fresse halten." (Dieter Nuhr)
(example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO_3WjNnlTI )

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:25 pm
by Little John
lexvictory wrote:"We must shut your mouth" makes me laugh
Well, that's telekinesis ...
Everyone who believes in telekinesis, raise my hand! :D

Regards, Little John

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:58 pm
by LuCiFeR[SD]
I think we can safely conclude ladies and gentlemen from around the world that ALL of us laugh with, NOT at KCC!

I for one love KCC... His sense of humour and politeness are something I admire. As for this racism business... ridiculous! There has been nothing but fun and laughter and even my hero KCC has stated that he has never been offended.

I think thats enough before I get toooooo carried away with my hero worship :P

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:11 pm
by SFSxOI
Websters on line dictionary defines racism (as does my hard cover dictionary):

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

rac·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function: noun
Date: 1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective

In reference to part one of the definition:

A. Has anyone in the forum discussed in any way the human traits or capacities of any racial difference between Kwaï and the rest of the forum members? Hmmmmm...I don't think so.....so the accusation of racism fails based upon the first part of the definition.

B. Language is not, believe it or not, a human trait or capacity of a specific racial difference. Language is a common trait and capacity of all humans regardless of racial difference. So, the accusation of racism fails based upon the first part of the definition.

C. Regarding the part in the first part of the difination "...inherent superiority of a particular race.." , last time I looked French, or Chineese, or German, or British, or American, or Mexican, or any of the other nationalities were not a "race" but were just what they are, nationalities. So, the accusation of racism fails based upon the first part of the definition because a nationality is not a race, rather, a nationality is, simply put, a place of origin.

D. Regarding the part in the definition concerning "inherent superiority"; Has any one here in the forum in any way shown they are inherently superior in any way or that Kwaï is in any way inherently less superior then anyone else? Is there any indication from anyone in the forum that we are nothing more in the forum then the virtual anonymous people we are on the internet? Is there anything official anywhere that says or indicates that people on the internet have some sort of ranking system that categorizes them according to their "inherent superiority" based upon "human traits and capacities" ? The accusation of racism also fails in this respect.

E. Based upon the first part of the definition, an individually, or collectively, held belief "that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race " is just that, a belief that is individually held with like believing people forming together tightly or loosely to form the collective, regardless, the believes are still individually held. But, it doesn't mean that because its individually or collectively held that its a reality to everyone or the situation at hand. In this respect the accusation of racism fails.

So...collectively together, the accusation of racism fails completly based upon part one of the definition. On to part two...

In reference to part two of the definition:

A. Was there a 'racial prejudice' shown against Kwaï based upon his (or her) "human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race" ? The act of 'prejudice' or 'discrimination' at their very basics is simply the act of making a choice (although such a choice based upon the common understanding of 'racial prejudice' and 'discrimination' is generally detrimental or adverse for the person(s) or people against who the choice was made - thus the reason for the common understanding), but has any of this been shown to exist against Kwaï in the forum? Laughing at a turn of phrase, or wording, or the way someone says something, is simply that - laughing or finding some sort of comedic value. There was no racially motivated choice made to do so, its simply what it was because a sense of humor is learned and not an inherent human trait we are born with and is not an individually or collectively held belief and is just something that is an expression of a learned behavior not based upon "human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race" or a "racial prejudice or discrimination" choice because there is no race motivated choice to make here, only the learned expression towards comedic result laughter which was that of the turn of phrase or words posted. The accusation of racism based upon part two of the definition fails here also.

B. Has Kwaï been denied anything here in the forum? Rather, he's been treated as any other forum member by being aforded the same chances to participate as the rest of us. Theres been no choice made by the forum to not let him participate has there? I don't think so. The accusation of racism based upon part two of the definition fails here also.

Is it cruel? That is a matter of opinion. However, Kwaï doesn't seem to think so...and besides... what is this - the 3rd grade or something? Its not like anyone is being taunted or bullied, and its not like someone is going out of their way to make Kwaï uncomfortable or feel unwanted. In fact Kwaï seems to have made himself at home and seems to be happy to be here. If you were being bullied or taunted would you stay around? So it doesn't make sense to suppose that Kwaï is being treated in a cruel manner simply by someone finding some sort of comedic value in his postings and musings here in the forum. It would be different if he were being attacked in posts, but thats not the case, so the decision as to the what is and is not cruel, I suppose that this concept of 'cruel' would be better left to Kwaï to make that decision and not for someone else to make for him.

I've been very brief with the above.

The accusation of racism fails completly in light of, and context with, the definition. There is no racism involved.

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:17 pm
by Tipperton
Well, I answered the question based on the fact that I didn't and don't know Kwai, and in that context it would be rude to laugh at him.

Then again, maybe I'm just extra sensitive to people being treated that way since I was picked on, laughed at, antagonized, victimized bullied, taunted, and or whatever else you want to call it by other kids through out all my school years because of my vision and the very strong glasses I have to wear.

I simply cannot view laughing at anyone for any reason as acceptable behavior.

I don't view it as racist, but I do view as wrong (thread title) or cruel (poll question).

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:18 pm
by White Eagle
Tipperton wrote:Well, I answered the question based on the fact that I didn't and don't know Kwai, and in that context it would be rude to laugh at him.

Then again, maybe I'm just extra sensitive to such treatment since I was picked on, laughed at, antagonized, victimized and or whatever else you want to call it by other kids through out all my school years because of my vision and the very strong glasses I have to wear.
I am with you on this for the same reasons you state.

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:57 am
by thefool
Image

Please don't ever stop posting these things with your face on :P

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:05 am
by pdwyer
Tipperton wrote: I simply cannot view laughing at anyone for any reason as acceptable behavior.
Ever laugh at a comedian for telling a joke?

Kwai is a comedian, and he tells a lot of jokes. I think he's a real character :)

I don't know if he's french, chinese, french-chinese or something completely different. so I can assure you that when I laugh with or at him it's not because of his nationality.

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:48 am
by Rescator
The poll title is grammatically wrong, it should be "Is it cruel and/or racist to laugh at Kwaï chang caïne's english writing?"

So based on that I voted no!

Reason:
If I laugh at what someone wrote it's usually because I laugh at what they wrote.
I do not laugh at someones skill in english, but rather what the text reads as.

Now if I laughed at someones skill in english that would be cruel.

It's all about the intention of the reader.

Example: Beavis and Butthead are horny bastards, why? Because they laugh at "sausage" ("Hehe, he wrote "sausage" hehe!")

I also do not believe in racism, why? Everyone are different, in fact I consider "racist" as a synonym for "intolerance".

I believe everyone has their own level of intolerance, and everyone has a limit of how much intolerance they can tolerate from others.

I also believe people are free to think whatever they want, no matter how horrible, as it is the actions (what you do, say or write) that defines what you are as a person.

So if somebody's english makes you laugh, that's ok, as long as you laugh at what they wrote, rather than their ability to write it.

After all, we all think much better than we write or even talk, if I could write as well as I thought, I would be the best coder in the world, but it's so difficult to put thought into text at times.

I'm odd other ways too, I prefer that people talk behind myback infront of me.
Which is why, if I got something bad to say about people, I prefer to say it to their face, rather than talk with others about it behind their backs, as that would be considered low. (I'm no angel though mind you)

Besides, Kwai blushing a lot due to people laughing at what he writes might be good for his circulation as blushing helps keep the blood circulating, so he might just keep his skin looking younger for more years than those of us that are more skilled in english :P

PS! By saying I do not believe in "racism" I mean the word/definition itself, as intolerance or lack of tolerance towards other is a much bigger issue, like what Tipperton said about his past, "racism" can't be used to define that, intolerance or lack of tolerance does define that. Racism is just a sub genre of intolerance. If people would just drop the damn race thing, racism would vanish and we'd only have to focus on intolerance. :)

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:00 am
by PB
> The poll title is grammatically wrong, it should be "Is it cruel and/or
> racist to laugh at Kwaï chang caïne's english writing?"

That's what I meant, naturally. I didn't mean laugh at him personally.

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:49 am
by blueznl
Seld Replicating Nachos. That's all I have to say.

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:28 am
by vanbeck
Wow, that's quite a dissection there SFSxOI, I have to agree with it.

I think that it would be far more worrying if people simply ignored KCC, the fact that people read what he has to say stands for something, if it happens to be funny, then that's a natural response. Racism is something people have to think about, they have to come to a conclusion about a person based on their own views. When I read something funny I laugh, or smile, I don't stop and think about why it's funny to read things like...
I do care to not forget my personal adress, or the name of my dog...because a day i enter in my home, and he eat me by little piece
Or better again, if i forget the name of my wife
If you think laughing at that is racist or cruel, then your really not cut out for this world, it'll eat you up whole.

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:27 am
by thefool
blueznl wrote:Seld Replicating Nachos. That's all I have to say.
mm

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:39 pm
by case
thefool wrote:Image

Please don't ever stop posting these things with your face on :P
in fact that's not kcc real face, it's david caradine's face :)