Anti Piracy Plan..

PB · Post by PB » Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:50 am

> people who use cracked software wouldn't buy it if that was the only
> way to use it so the money wouldn't materialise anyway

Sorry, but that's a load of baloney. If they're using a pirated app without
paying for it, then it's a lost sale, plain and simple. It can't be explained
away or excused with "they'd never pay anyway" because that's crap.
If they're willing to use it, then they're legally obligated to pay for it.

case · Post by **case** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:10 pm

a pirated app is not a lost sale. some people that use cracked software will not use it if it was not cracked, they don't really need it but they use it because it's cracked.

exemple photoshop if it was not available in a cracked form i guess that almost all users that use it cracked now will not... it's good software,but let's face it it's too exensive.

also a lot of people that use cracked software may use freeware/opensourced software instead to achieve the same result, but they use cracked software because they see adds about it or review that said this software is great if they have to buy it, maybe they'd go freeware/opensourced or just pass on it, so you can't really argue that a pirated software IS a lost sale.
it's a POTENTIAL lost sale. it might be selled but it's not sure ...

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:51 pm

case wrote:a pirated app is not a lost sale. some people that use cracked software will not use it if it was not cracked, they don't really need it but they use it because it's cracked.

exemple photoshop if it was not available in a cracked form i guess that almost all users that use it cracked now will not... it's good software,but let's face it it's too exensive.

also a lot of people that use cracked software may use freeware/opensourced software instead to achieve the same result, but they use cracked software because they see adds about it or review that said this software is great if they have to buy it, maybe they'd go freeware/opensourced or just pass on it, so you can't really argue that a pirated software IS a lost sale.
it's a POTENTIAL lost sale. it might be selled but it's not sure ...

That's right I could never afford some of the software I like to use ever at the price there selling it, what should be happening is old versions get reduced in price the older you go, with the oldest being freeware in a time scale that you know you'll be using the lastest version in say a year or 2 if you keep using the free version.

Bit like pay for what you use.

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:57 pm

PB wrote: It can't be explained away or excused with "they'd never pay anyway" because that's crap.
If they're willing to use it, then they're legally obligated to pay for it.

PB, I'm not excusing it, I'm not saying they are not obligated to pay for it either because they are, and you are right.

I'm saying that if they have a crack they will use it, if they have to pay then they will use something else. (many, not all of course).

My point is that from the developers perspective, he may be owed more for the use of his product, but he won't make more if the app is not crackable because the pirate software user often won't pay, he'll just go else where.

So, a question. If you spend an extra small fortune going from simple copy protection to DRM... how do you expect to recoup this cost? If many pirates fail to crack the product then they just won't use it.

You may piss of the honest customers though

case · Post by **case** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:03 pm

pdwyer wrote: So, a question. If you spend an extra small fortune going from simple copy protection to DRM... how do you expect to recoup this cost? If many pirates fail to crack the product then they just won't use it.

You may piss of the honest customers though

worst... if the pirates can crack it, you'll piss the honest customers and have the pirats use it for free anyway ... this is what happens to ea, with they're games these days

PB · Post by PB » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:35 pm

> a pirated app is not a lost sale

I'm sorry that you can't see that. If a commercial app is used without being
paid for, then it is a lost sale, no matter how you perceive or justify it.

So if 100 people are using PureBasic right now, with no intention of ever
paying, you are basically saying that Fred hasn't lost 100 x $99 in sales.
Don't be silly. You know that's baloney so just admit it. :roll:

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:00 pm

PB wrote:> a pirated app is not a lost sale

I'm sorry that you can't see that. If a commercial app is used without being
paid for, then it is a lost sale, no matter how you perceive or justify it.

So if 100 people are using PureBasic right now, with no intention of ever
paying, you are basically saying that Fred hasn't lost 100 x $99 in sales.
Don't be silly. You know that's baloney so just admit it. :roll:

If we're talking about PB then we're talking about a 'small' business man and I'm all for the little guy getting what he deserves so piracy in the case of Fred is a bad thing.

However, if your talking about companies with mega millions whining about 'potential' lost profits from a small minority that want to use there software but can't justify spending $1000 on software, then quite frankly my dear I don't give a damn, they can rot before I care.

More over if same said mega million dollar companies are selling there software at a reasonable cost that everyone can afford then they get my thumbs up.

I am so sick and tired of this world and the greed in it, it's about time these greedy people get some come upance, I declare war on greed!.

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:05 pm

@PB: Thats exactly what I'm saying !

The reason is that if PureB had 100% foolproof uncrackable protection then not all of those 100 pirates would turn into customers. My guess ( and I have no idea what the real figures would be) would be about 10% of the pirates would become customers and 90% would use something else, cracked powerbasic or maybe freebasic.

So, since its software for download, no CD or box, a "copy" of it costs fred nothing (Cost per Unit). If a million people use PB illegally, then suddenly copy protection kicks in and none of these people become customers then how much does fred make? Answer = -1 x copyprotectionPrice

I'm not talking about about moral justification, just $$$ in freds pocket period.

For large corps. it's just fear. driven by shareholders with their MBA's who don't understant that the lost profit aguement is bull5h1t . They tie the bonuses of the management to the number of "lost profits" they can circumvent and you get DRM

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:13 pm

pdwyer wrote: For large corps. it's just fear. driven by shareholders with their MBA's who don't understant that the lost profit aguement is bull5h1t . They tie the bonuses of the management to the number of "lost profits" they can circumvent and you get DRM

Don't worry that corruption is coming to end soon, the US economy will implode and throw the world into a depression.

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:21 pm

great there goes my job

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:19 pm

pdwyer wrote:great there goes my job

Ahh but there is an upside when big companies fail, they leave holes for others to take there place, but it all has to collapse first.

www.infowars.com

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:25 pm

Another Kiwi Anarchist!

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:44 pm

pdwyer wrote: Another Kiwi Anarchist!

no, just very aware.

mrjiles · Post by **mrjiles** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:50 pm

Maybe I can shed some light, err, Tom can...

I have a friend named "Tom" who downloaded pirated Purebasic among others (Power basic, etc). "Tom" was a hobby VB programmer and is now a hobby Purebasic programmer... but he wanted to fully try the software before dropping a Benjamin on it. He ended up finding the product he liked the most.

"Tom" purchased Purebasic.

Inner · Post by **Inner** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:16 pm

mrjiles wrote:Maybe I can shed some light, err, Tom can...

I have a friend named "Tom" who downloaded pirated Purebasic among others (Power basic, etc). "Tom" was a hobby VB programmer and is now a hobby Purebasic programmer... but he wanted to fully try the software before dropping a Benjamin on it. He ended up finding the product he liked the most.

"Tom" purchased Purebasic.

That face says otherwise!