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pdwyer wrote:That's a really bad sitation!

Previous climate changes have melted ice caps entirely and put most of the planet under water.

The northern ice cap is floating so the melting of the ice there would not change sea levels at all.

Part of the southern ice cap is land bound so it would effect sea levels to a small degree.

The expansion of the water as the temperature rises would be what really raises sea levels but even that would be mitigated to an extent by increased evapouration.

Baldrick wrote:freeze us all for a few thousnad years, then bury us all under several thousand meters of water, then in a few million years the next humans can dig us up & burn us in their coal fired power stations.....

Look, this (= your post) is stupid. In a few years the natural oil and gas resources will be depleted, after that the
coal resources will be depleted, and then we will burn up all Uranium left in this world in less than ten years...

After that, the lights will go off, and everything will be cold and quiet and problematic, unless we move in a different
direction, and that direction has nothing to do about LOWERING the gas prices :roll:

here in germany already 30% of the electricity is from renewable ressources.
ok, it's no mayority yet, but it's a beginning....

Here in Canada our largest (or one of the largest) oil companies is nationalized and they are every bit as cash-hungry as all the rest. Just another player in the field.

Here is a documentry called Peak oil I watched on tv here in Aus a while back.
Very interesting & definately worth taking the time to watch.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_ ... t_full.htm

Kaeru Gaman wrote:here in germany already 30% of the electricity is from renewable ressources.
ok, it's no mayority yet, but it's a beginning....

That is pretty good!

I understand Portugal is also pretty advanced with renewable and alternative energy efforts. Driven in part by lack of more traditional natural resources.

So really its not like sea levels haven't been way way higher than they are now before.

Yes, but not only do the plates slip, shake, and move... they seem to rise and fall as well.

Still it is alleged that the Antartic was a jungle at one time, so you KNOW there is oil under all that ice!!!

Quick, someone tell Bushy Bush... A whole country and I think the US Army can kick some serious Penguin terrorist butt!!!!!

A slight aside on the Energy Cost front... we DO pay more for energy in Texas (and the rest of the gulf coast!) because we have to run our AC from MARCH to DECEMBER.

San Francisco pays more for electricity, but the average tep in san fran is 68f... They have more than 32 days a year over 80f and it is a global warming event... Houston has 8 months were 80f is a distant dream and humidity levels in the 98% (with or without rain!) and no breeze...

So we pay more. Because we either use... or melt.

And Texas does have the biggest of almost everything. But not the worlds biggest frying pan or ball of string...

A slight aside on the Energy Cost front... we DO pay more for energy in Texas (and the rest of the gulf coast!) because we have to run our AC from MARCH to DECEMBER.

San Francisco pays more for electricity, but the average tep in san fran is 68f... They have more than 32 days a year over 80f and it is a global warming event... Houston has 8 months were 80f is a distant dream and humidity levels in the 98% (with or without rain!) and no breeze...

I'm going to concede that point to you. It's borne out by the statistics at the EIA -Texas consumes nearly twice the kilowatt hours of California despite having a ~36% smaller population. The same trend seems to play out with other states with a higher electricity rate than Texas - they consume less by enough to balance out or tip the equation. Even Hawaii, which has more than double the electrical rates, uses only about 25% of the per capita KWh of Texas. You win this round, Rook, but just for the record I don't like it

I think the original point Rook Zimbabwe made was that its the companies supplying the gas that are actually causing the price increases by their antics of inceasing pices if they get taxed more, selling their own additives to them selfs at a loss to get tax write offs, etc....


A case in point here concerns where I live. A gallon of gas here now costs $3.00. We actually have a couple of refineries here locally and they supply the gas to all of the pumps in the geographical area. It takes a load of fuel approximately 30 - 45 minutes max to be delivered to anywhere in the area, yet, delivery of that load of fuel costs the same as if the truck had driven to the fartherest point in the U.S. to deliver the same load. Delivery costs are calculated as if the fuel was delivered from the original point on the east or west coast were the oil was disembarked to begin with and not from the refinery its self. In other words if it costs X amount of dollars to transport fuel fom the east coast to the west cost, even though the refineries are here locally the delivery costs should be lower and thus reflected in the price at the pump for lower pices but instead the price at the pump eflects the oil companies delievery cost to the fartherest point in the U.S. which of course is going to be greater, now this is one example that SUCKS and how the fule companies play with the figures to increase their profits.

Kaeru Gaman wrote:here in germany already 30% of the electricity is from renewable ressources.
ok, it's no mayority yet, but it's a beginning....

I think that's quite impressive, Our government talks a good fight about renewables but, as in most areas, fails to deliver: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008 ... tidalpower

Although I'm far from convinced that human activity is the cause of global warming there's no doubt in my mind the noxious gases from burning fossil fuel are damaging, especially to our children.

We've got so much coastline in the UK and all that wave power/wind power is just going begging.

human activity is the cause of global warming there's no doubt in my mind the noxious gases

Hey, I don't fart all that much!!!

LED Lightbulbs
http://sewelldirect.com/Vivid-LED-Light ... medium=cse

http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/205/1/

18 LEDS for $30.00... did I miss something? I can buy 18 LEDS for about $0.72.

Rook Zimbabwe wrote:18 LEDS for $30.00... did I miss something? I can buy 18 LEDS for about $0.72.

Thats Govt spending for you

Actually, there's a huge range in prices. For ages MagLight didn't bring out an LED torch as they were too weak and that company likes it's image for powerful torches. They brought out a 3 watt white LED pen touch though now, costs $60. I bought one because I'm a sucker for things like that but it's a very good torch, very long battery life and compared to all the many LED torches I have it's very powerful.

White LEDs are also still generally more expensive

pdwyer wrote:I bought one because I'm a sucker for things like that

You and me both. I have a little headband led light for when I am cable pulling up in ceilings. It is awsome & I use it quite often @ home for reading at night. Uses 2x AAA batteries which last about 50 continuos use.
http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/Tackle-And- ... torch.html

I also have one of those pocket knife ones

burn up all Uranium left in this world in less than ten years

Please look up the term "Breeder Reactor" (and Chernobyl while we are on the subject)

I bought a nulti LED torch (flashlight) I had clipped to the front of my shotgun while I was in Mogadishu and Iraq. It had three push actions... 1 tight circle (Shotgun with choke) 2 widde circle (no choke) and 3 laser led.

The other lights were LED as well...

See I was Green and deadly!

Only fired it maybe 100 - 200 times. Used the light about 20% of that.