Karbon wrote:Codemonger wrote:Good point freedimension, i happen to be watching news and seen 911 happen live when it happened. I'll never forget it. To americans this is the most tragic thing ever to happen. To third world countries this happens every day, take Suddan for instance.
And IRAQ! That is exactly what we are trying to do there - get the bad people out! Yes innocents die, yes it is horrible, yes I wish it were avoidable. WE are fighting for THEIR freedom! If anyone thinks we are making money on this deal I'd love to point to the BILLIONS of dollars and thousands of American lives we've already put up..
Yes, I believe you. The majority of the soldiers that are in Iraq are trying to help the Iraqi people (at least that's the reason they are given). And only the minority(?) is torturing and hating the iraqi people, driven into that same blind hatred that drives the terrorists on the other side.
And what for? For stability? Compare the situation in the region now and before 2003 and then we can talk again. Bushs "holy" war on terrorism and the war on iraq (two different things that are too often confused [intentional!?]) have led the region into a state of total chaos and uncertainty. Bin Laden doesn't need to recruit his fighters anymore, this war does this already for him - more than perfectly. Well done! This politics really deserves standing ovations and a reelection. Wooohooo, get the popcorn and a bud.
Well, now let's talk about the cash. Do you really think, the war is fought for human rights? Do you really think that? Well, you're right in that the american people is paying a high price for this war, but the people that are behind all this don't even CARE about the american people nor about the iraqi or any other people on this planet but only about their own sake, their own profit. What do you think is all the money flowing to? To the iraqis? Who at the moment is gaining the most money with the iraq war? I can tell you, it's the weapons industry (and hey, bush knows some of them quite well, even before he became president), the oil industry (and hey, bush knows some of them quite well, even before he became president, better, he was one) and the construction industry (not to mention that the Bin Ladens in Saudi Arabia have a large construction company and that the Bush family knows them and others quite well).
This all appears to be a mere saleout of arms to freshen up the stocks with nice side effects in the briefcases of the mightiest in the US.
While all this is happening the gap between rich and poor in the US is getting wider and wider every day. Already 1% of the population owns 90% of the $ (I hope I remember the figures right, will check it later). What about the rest you ask? They are nothing but workbees and antssoldiers, willing to submissively act their role in this worldwide tragedy.
The bush administration hollowed out the americans very own constitution, this highly regarded peace of paper that once stood for things like human rights (well, at least for WASPs) and called this hollowing patriot act. As if this could serve in the fight of terrorism - the only thing it is good for is to supress and control the american people even more, and guess what, it works. As you quite well pointed out in a previous post I'm from germany, and I'm very, very glad it came as it came in 45, believe me. We had our lesson regarding patriotism and nationalism and when I read about all the things that the bush administration is doing I hear more than one alarm bell ringing inside my head. Be cautious with that guy before it's too late. At present Bush is far more dangerous in what he is doing than any other leader in the world, mark my words. And now, in the second term he can do even worse because he doesn't have to worry about his reelection.
BTW: Ever read the Wolfowitz papers where he is stating that the US has to be able to fight in "multiple theatres of war" to maintain the leading role in the world and that this has to be tested out before long? I'm not sure, but I think it too made some allusions as to the axis of evil, mostly iraq and that it would perhaps be necessary to counteract the UNO to fullfill that task. FYI, that paper existed long before 9/11.
I already said it but it can't be said too often: you can't enforce democracy with arms, it failed in vietnam, korea, cambodscha etc. and it will fail in the middle east too. You can't fight terrorism, terrorism is a phantom, a mere symptom of more evil roots. The only way to get rid of terrorism would be to get rid of the causes, a good start to do so would be a just and unbiased politics in the middle east and a much higher budget on foreign aid than at the moment. Selling heavy arms, tanks and helicopters to israel and the lighter weapons to palestina really doesn't count.
But as I also said above, the actual government never intended to save the world and to export democracy, that's too unprofitable in short terms. They are quite happy with the status quo, this way their own people can be better controlled and they can be diverted from all the things that went wrong in their own country, like for example the catastrophical deficit the US has since Bush won the oval office in 2k. TERROR TERROR TERROR the american people is so full of fear (of what excactly?), that they perceive the world in a very distorted way. The american history is full of failures, take the McCarthy Era, the native american issue, slavery and segregation, the cold war, I can't understand why they won't ever learn. Do the world and your children a favor: Get real!
EDIT: Figures about the wealth gap in the USA:
http://www.inequality.org/facts.html
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