Newbie looking at PB questions

[Demivec]

Links are fixed.

Thanks Fred.!

[TomS]

Tenaja, I wouldn't mind if you just leave the building. What a load of pompous bullshit. Are you
really King Louie The 14.tnth?

You are just another attention wh*re (sorry) IMHO.

There's no way you are going to register this language, so get lost, or prove me wrong.

WTF? Why the flaming?
If you don't like what he writes, ignore it. But I would stop showing people the door. Your damaging the reputation of this board and thus the reputation of PB. You're sending the message that newbies that have not already puchased PB are not welcome here.

Are you really sitting there in front of your old monitor watcing an xls sheet comparing your
various options.?

So? I do that all the time, if I'm about to make an investment. For some people 80 bucks are peanuts and for some people have to save money for months so they can afford it.
There's nothing wrong with comparing your options.

Really?? Sorry for beeing so harsh, but people like you is a waste of time.

Then why waste your time on answering this thread?
Just leave it instead of scaring away the newbies. They'll go on their own if they find PB is not for them. And if not they might be smarter than you or more experienced in programming in general and help you out some time.

attention wh*re

I'm looking forward to see what happens next

Oh, the irony. You're accusing someone of being an attention wh*re and then you stay and gawk.
With that oberservation I'd give not much about the rest of your post.

[Trond]

I'm looking forward to see what happens next

Oh, the irony. You're accusing someone of being an attention wh*re and then you stay and gawk.
With that oberservation I'd give not much about the rest of your post.

Are you kiddin' me?!?

[rsts]

snip... the experience shows than newcomers which create such posts almost always ends in flamewars.

what he said. we seem to be on our way.

cheers

[utopiomania]

Trond:

Are you kiddin' me?!?

Poor Trond took the blame for this, and righteously so!

Me is a Saint. And I don't take things too seriously, life is too short for that.

[Tenaja]

... the experience shows than newcomers which create such posts almost always ends in flamewars. ....

Well, I'm not in to any kind of forum wars.
...but remember, a gentle answer turns away wrath. If your newbie greeters were more tolerant of newbie questions (who are often going to have preconceived notions), then it would be less likely to end in a flamewar. If my temperament matched those of your worst offenders, then my posts WOULD have contributed to a flamewar. But, it's clear to see that I won't participate..not heavily, anyway.

I do that all the time (compare on Excel), if I'm about to make an investment. For some people 80 bucks are peanuts and for some people have to save money for months so they can afford it.
There's nothing wrong with comparing your options.

For me, it's not about the $80--heck, it could be 5x that; I don't care--I'm no longer a starving student. Besides, VB and Mono are free, and many other options. For me, it's about the tool. I probably add an excel file every week to help choose a tool. (And yes, sometimes I choose the training wheels!)

[TomS]

WTF is wrong with tis forum?
Again I'm sorry Trond. That also happened, when I quoted you. But I realized it at that time and corrected it in a quick edit.
(Ok. Now I see my mistake. The Quote-Button is acutally above the post, when in Editor mode)

snip... the experience shows than newcomers which create such posts almost always ends in flamewars.

what he said. we seem to be on our way.

Yes, but if you look at the thread, it's not Tenaja's fault.

[Tenaja]

I look quite good in a leotard I'll have you know.

Nice to see a sense of humor. However, for the record, I'll take your word for it--I have no desire for confirmation!

[Tenaja]

Hey, LOOK!!!! I have a CHIP!!! I hope that means it came off of somebodies shoulder.
Trust me when I say it will be very rare that you guys see this number of posts from me in a short period of time...

[dhouston]

I'm somewhat (but not too much) surprised by the vehemence of the attacks. It wasn't all that long ago that I was a newbie and I did not recall encountering any animosity so I just took my Tardis back to August 2007 to refresh my memory. My first post appears to have been about having ordered/paid for PB but not receiving any response (for two days). There was some glitch and Fred took care of it quickly. Nearly all of the user responses to my post were welcoming. But, maybe that was because I had already committed to PB and made favorable comments.

I went on to ask my share of newbie type questions but, by and large, responses were positive and helpful. I did later encounter one nasty flame from one of the usual suspects. As it was obvious that he had either not read or not comprehended (most probable) my question/comment, I just put him in my Foes list so I wouldn't have to deal with him. He's still there.

I also think that such nastiness probably costs PB some converts. Those who are trolling for flames are usually obvious by their second post and the moderators seem to do a good job of dealing with them by locking such threads.

[Fred]

Well, as expected, it surprisily ended as a flamewar. Locked.