I bought the evoluent mouse, and it was a big disappointment. It was too large for my hand. Maybe it is good for you if you have really large hands, but else, I'd not recommend it.talisman wrote: following Trond's and Rescator's advice though, the pain is almost gone. Like 99% gone. All I feel now in my wrist is the same like one would feel if watching TV in the same posture for long hours; it doesn't hurt, but it isn't comfortable either. So I think this is an excellent improvement! My hand is now "forced" to a "vertical" position though, so that Evoluent mouse looks definitely interesting. I'm not a big fan of trackballs, at least the Logitech, have tried it out and it felt very unnatural to me.
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Wrist pain
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Bursitis is a possibility also, I think someone already mentioned tendinitis. If the muscles and tendons of the rotator cuff or the bursa of the shoulder are injured, they become inflamed and swollen. There is limited space in the shoulder joint, this swelling causes the muscles and tendons to be squeezed between the bones of the shoulder joint. Repeated motion involving the arms, or motion over many years may also irritate the tendons, muscles, and surrounding tissue.
This can lead to something called "impingement syndrome". There is also a bursitis of the hip and the knee, all exhibiting these symptoms.
Tendinitis is inflammation of a tendon. In tendinitis of the shoulder the tendons of the rotator cuff or the tendons of the biceps become inflamed and irritated. This is often a result of being pinched by surrounding structures. The injury can be mild or severe. When the rotator cuff tendon becomes inflamed and thickened it may get trapped under the top of the shoulder blade. This squeezing of the rotator cuff muscles is called impingement syndrome.
The pain from these can be tremendous. Weight training can cause this to happen as can other things.
This can lead to something called "impingement syndrome". There is also a bursitis of the hip and the knee, all exhibiting these symptoms.
Tendinitis is inflammation of a tendon. In tendinitis of the shoulder the tendons of the rotator cuff or the tendons of the biceps become inflamed and irritated. This is often a result of being pinched by surrounding structures. The injury can be mild or severe. When the rotator cuff tendon becomes inflamed and thickened it may get trapped under the top of the shoulder blade. This squeezing of the rotator cuff muscles is called impingement syndrome.
The pain from these can be tremendous. Weight training can cause this to happen as can other things.
I was checked by a specialist doctor today. The result? I think this is good news, possible there's no surgery needed.
The problem was a strained thumb muscle, which led to an unnatural position for the median nerve. The median nerve itself isn't compressed, but whenever I didn't use my hand, I had it rest on the mouse and this was the problem; it made the thumb muscle get unnecessary strain applied to it and then flexed enough to trigger the pain I was experiencing by pushing the median nerve forward, thus making the median nerve get in an unnatural position itself (and so I made my wrist much more sensitive than it should be).
The doctor analysed my computer usage and recommended the exact posture, which both Trond and Rescator told me about. Interestingly enough the same doctor also told me to do exercises with my hands similar to what Trond told me about (kudos to Trond and Rescator!).The idea of the exercise is to relax the thumb muscle in order to have the median nerve get back to its natural position. Learning to use my mouse correctly is the way to heal my issue for now, but the doctor said should the median nerve not get back to its natural position or the thumb muscle won't relax, then a surgery might be needed, but the doctor said there's only a very small possibility I would require this type of surgery and that the surgery is way different to carpal tunnel syndrome. He also said I should be proud of myself for turning to a specialist doctor about this since the symptoms were so similar that many could have diagnosed it to be carpal tunnel syndrome, but in fact it was not and that a surgery to correct the carpal tunnels could lead to an infection in my thumb muscle if the fact is overseen that my thumb muscle is the real problem.
One thing also the doctor mentioned was that I should try if at all possible, get rid of *any* mouse pads. Does anyone know a mouse, which can work on any surface? Optical definitely won't work for me, not sure about laser either, because my desk has a very flat polish and glossy finish making it impossible to use my current mouse with it.
Thank you all for the help. The doctor said a full month to try recover is reasonable and if in that time nothing happens, it's a call for a surgery (let's hope not).
The problem was a strained thumb muscle, which led to an unnatural position for the median nerve. The median nerve itself isn't compressed, but whenever I didn't use my hand, I had it rest on the mouse and this was the problem; it made the thumb muscle get unnecessary strain applied to it and then flexed enough to trigger the pain I was experiencing by pushing the median nerve forward, thus making the median nerve get in an unnatural position itself (and so I made my wrist much more sensitive than it should be).
The doctor analysed my computer usage and recommended the exact posture, which both Trond and Rescator told me about. Interestingly enough the same doctor also told me to do exercises with my hands similar to what Trond told me about (kudos to Trond and Rescator!).The idea of the exercise is to relax the thumb muscle in order to have the median nerve get back to its natural position. Learning to use my mouse correctly is the way to heal my issue for now, but the doctor said should the median nerve not get back to its natural position or the thumb muscle won't relax, then a surgery might be needed, but the doctor said there's only a very small possibility I would require this type of surgery and that the surgery is way different to carpal tunnel syndrome. He also said I should be proud of myself for turning to a specialist doctor about this since the symptoms were so similar that many could have diagnosed it to be carpal tunnel syndrome, but in fact it was not and that a surgery to correct the carpal tunnels could lead to an infection in my thumb muscle if the fact is overseen that my thumb muscle is the real problem.
One thing also the doctor mentioned was that I should try if at all possible, get rid of *any* mouse pads. Does anyone know a mouse, which can work on any surface? Optical definitely won't work for me, not sure about laser either, because my desk has a very flat polish and glossy finish making it impossible to use my current mouse with it.
Thank you all for the help. The doctor said a full month to try recover is reasonable and if in that time nothing happens, it's a call for a surgery (let's hope not).
A large sheet of paper works well as an alternative to mouse pads. There are also those large leather / plastic desk pads (seen on bankers' desks and on glass desks) that would fix sensitivity of the mouse. Or, as a last resort...
http://www.vosmeijercatering.nl/partyve ... n.php/256/
http://www.vosmeijercatering.nl/partyve ... n.php/256/
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You can get perfectly flat almost paper thin mouse pads at most office supply places that will work for you. Something else i saw someone do once that had a glass desktop at work was to paint a big black square on the glass with a special paint that actually etches the glass permanetly to that color, it can be bought in hobby shops that cater to ceramic and glass hobbiest. I think you can also find it on line.
But you have a polished desk top and its not glass. You can get protective covers for entire desktops that are very thin, almost see thru, that would work for you if your just dead set against a mouse pad type of arangement.
But you have a polished desk top and its not glass. You can get protective covers for entire desktops that are very thin, almost see thru, that would work for you if your just dead set against a mouse pad type of arangement.
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Microshafts new mouse is supopsed to work on everything except glass and mirrors.talisman wrote:Does anyone know a mouse, which can work on any surface? Optical definitely won't work for me, not sure about laser either, because my desk has a very flat polish and glossy finish making it impossible to use my current mouse with it.
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouse ... px?pid=001
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I guess computers isn't for everybody
Yeah well, some people get red eyes from sitting behind a computer screen, some get wrist pain, some get a headache from imagined radiation, some start to feel dizzy in the head, some start to loose concentration, some start to loose their social life because of too much computing, some start to talk with their computer, I guess computers isn't just for everybody 
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Greetings
cw
I seen to get this sort of... uh... itch...
Does that qualify?
Does that qualify?
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haha codewalker, you aren't talking of experience, are you? 
blueznl, I can give you the number for my specialist doctor
I do not prefer anything that covers my whole desktop. You see, I paid the premium for this desk because it is so much fun and comfortable to write essays with. Yes I'm talking of the desk and it feels just great to rest my arm on, no covers for me!
@Kale: on the website it says not for mirrored surfaces... my desk is as short of a mirror as the base of a nickel plated CPU heat sink, so pretty much a mirrored surface
blueznl, I can give you the number for my specialist doctor
I do not prefer anything that covers my whole desktop. You see, I paid the premium for this desk because it is so much fun and comfortable to write essays with. Yes I'm talking of the desk and it feels just great to rest my arm on, no covers for me!
@Kale: on the website it says not for mirrored surfaces... my desk is as short of a mirror as the base of a nickel plated CPU heat sink, so pretty much a mirrored surface
Is she blonde?talisman wrote: blueznl, I can give you the number for my specialist doctor
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Ultra thin mattalisman wrote:@Kale: on the website it says not for mirrored surfaces... my desk is as short of a mirror as the base of a nickel plated CPU heat sink, so pretty much a mirrored surface
http://www.fareastgizmos.com/computing/ ... tector.php
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Looks nice, my current mouse pad namely is the Razer Goliathus Speed Edition! Great find!Kale wrote:Ultra thin mattalisman wrote:@Kale: on the website it says not for mirrored surfaces... my desk is as short of a mirror as the base of a nickel plated CPU heat sink, so pretty much a mirrored surface
http://www.fareastgizmos.com/computing/ ... tector.php