Just me or has the world gone crazy for .Net and others

djes · Post by **djes** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:30 pm

If processors are optimised for .Net, .Net will be native, not JIT anymore.

I suspect this project was made to remove all the crap Microsoft have done for ages, and also to get rid of processors constraints! It's good, but wait and see, because a so huge machine can't be changed so easily.

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:51 pm

I would like to try out the MS express studio .NET stuff, as another tool, but these
free versions are limited in some ways.

Can anyone with an overview tell me what these limitations are? Can you use them to
create commercial software for example.

Since I already am a registered VB4 and VB6 user, i was thinking of downloading the
express VB version.

the.weavster · Post by **the.weavster** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:27 pm

I don't know about the MS Express editions but the TurboExplorer version of Delphi.NET is free including use for making commercial apps.

Post by **idle** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:40 pm

you could also take a look at SharpDevelop perhaps.

utopiomania · Post by **utopiomania** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:35 pm

Thanks for the tips! The TurboExplorer soft is Borland, which brings back some fond
memories..

I was looking at some big yellow boxes in a store in Burnsville shopping center outside
of Minneapolis and trying to decide wether to buy Turbo-C, Turbo-Basic or Turbo-Pascal..

I ended up buying Turbo-C, because that was what Borland used to write some of the other products they marketed at that time.

I also wondered why people was staring at me the way they did, but soon learned it was
because I was smoking

indoors while trying to decide.

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:08 am

KarLKoX wrote:... and Microsoft's R&D is working on a 100 % pure OS made with .NET

So I can port my win32api code to .net or I can port it to linux... I think I'd have to bite the bullet and go linux

Lazarus404 · Post by **Lazarus404** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:49 am

Look at it this way :

Mac OSX is Linux, and Apple are considering using an extended "off the shelf" distro in the future.
Embedded systems are being used everywhere that use Linux
Linux is free
Linux is becoming very easy for new-comers (ubuntu)
Windows is annoying people to no end, costing a fortune, and not going the way people would like it. Linux is driven by "the people".

It won't be long before Windows has died (5 - 10 years), or Windows adopts Linux as a backbone, then offers .NET and Win32 capabilities as a wrapper.

bembulak · Post by **bembulak** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:04 pm

Mac OSX is Linux

Not True.
Mac OSX is a highly adopted BSD-Unix kernel. That's all.
Unix != Linux.

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:22 pm

Lazarus404 wrote:Linux is driven by "the people"..

:roll: And stands for democracy and freedom from oppression and defends human rights too I suppose

Lazarus404 wrote:...or Windows adopts Linux as a backbone, then offers .NET and Win32 capabilities as a wrapper.

I don't think so. windows has its problems and MS has its problems but it's not that case that the linux OS is superiour to windows in all areas. If windows 7 doesn't deliver on the promise of removing vista's annoyances then MS will have a wake up call in their corporate direction but it wouldn't be to throw the kernel away for linux. The kernel has come a long way under the NT platform in the server and desktop space

Xombie · Post by **Xombie** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:13 am

I don't see Windows dying any time soon, personally. Linux in the workplace would be nice but would require a much different breed of tech support than the typical MS tech support person. Even in Ubuntu you still need to drop down to the console to perform some tasks and some of those are quite complex. Microsoft has a lot of steam behind it and a lot of years of people born and bred to use it. It'd take a lot to displace them to any large degree. Just my two cents.

Back on topic - what do y'all see more in terms of .NET development? VB.NET or C#.NET ? I've always been curious whether VB is still living in these days.

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:50 pm

Xombie wrote:Back on topic - what do y'all see more in terms of .NET development? VB.NET or C#.NET ? I've always been curious whether VB is still living in these days.

IMHO C# has gained ground on VB.NET in the last few years now more people realise that C# isn't as scary as C/++ but i would say both now are in equal usage. Take a look at this:

http://www.langpop.com/

Personally, i wish VB.NET would be taken out to the shed and put out of it's misery.

the.weavster · Post by **the.weavster** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:41 pm

Kale wrote:Personally, i wish VB.NET would be taken out to the shed and put out of it's misery.

Why?

If VB .NET has any issues they should be addressed, it's those hideous languages with curly-swirly brackets all over the place that should be terminated.

milan1612 · Post by **milan1612** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:00 pm

Kale wrote:Personally, i wish VB.NET would be taken out to the shed and put out of it's misery.

Do you really want to force millions of VB.NET programmers to adopt C#?
VB.NET has almost everything C# has likewise, it's a great language and it shouldn't
be stopped just because you don't like it!

Kale · Post by **Kale** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:39 pm

milan1612 wrote:
Kale wrote:Personally, i wish VB.NET would be taken out to the shed and put out of it's misery.
Do you really want to force millions of VB.NET programmers to adopt C#?
VB.NET has almost everything C# has likewise, it's a great language and it shouldn't
be stopped just because you don't like it!

It should die a slow horrible death!

KarLKoX · Post by **KarLKoX** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:50 pm

VB still have a bad image due to the "speed" of the language but now, with .NET, it is not true because a C# code will not be faster than the same in VB .NET, thanks to the MSIL.