Gas Prices RANT!!!!

[Franky]

Rofl, Rook, you´re a VERY poor person, having to pay 0,61€ for just 1 litre of gas.

Europeans pay more than the double. And to all those "climate doesn´t change - Yes it changes - no it doesn´t yes it does and blablabla"-leries:

If CO2 is not important, than just think of that: Oil will be used up in as far as I know 30 years? So, it´s more important to think of the future of mobility than of CO2.

So I know, that most of that has already been said by other users but I just thought I should give my 2 cents. If 30 other People do so too , Rook can have a drive through the country with it.

[thefool]

Yeah the price is like NOTHING compared to here in europe
HOWEVER i am not sure if he just complains that the oil companies makes too much money and doesn't complain on the general price

[Rook Zimbabwe]

Rofl, Rook, you´re a VERY poor person, having to pay 0,61€ for just 1 litre of gas.

Actually yes I am, I have been unemployd since October 2007. I do not qualify for the dole or unemployment... I have been selling things to keep afloat. And I am about out of things. House is next. And that value has been cut in 1/2 by the foreclosures all around me.

My neighborhood had values in the 200,000.00's but the foreclosures show house for sale on a street for $200,000.00 sitting there and foreclosures being bought by California @55h0l3s for $80,000 to $120,000 and attempted resell... Our house value was $200,000 but there are 8 foreclosures on my street averaging $80,000 - 100,000. Will mine sell? No.

And I inhertied the house when my father died. Paid in full.

And don't get me started on the G0dd@m flippers and they mess they are making of the house market in the USA. Not including the 80/20 scam loan scandal.

My position on global warming / globbal cooling is. There Isn't enough data either way!
It may well be that this is natural phenomenon. We really have no real way of telling how accurate our Paleo Climatology predictions are.

This could be simply the initiation of a new ice age... First a flood, and then a freeze...
- NOT A COMMENT BASED ON RELIGION

The world is evil, people ar evil.

They do not do what they would like done to them... they do what they fear others would do to them, and try hard to do it first!

Did I ever talk about the first time I meet George Bush?

[thefool]

people ar evil.

I would like to state i am a supernaturally good person!
Actually, i'm nearly magical!!

[thefool]

The world is evil

yeah but i'm doing what i can to change it

[pdwyer]

- NOT A COMMENT BASED ON RELIGION

You read my mind! I was thinking just that at the point when I read this text My first reaction was "oh, okay sorry"

Sorry to hear times are rough, sub prime hit the whole damn globe. I'm not in your financial straights but I felt a little pain all the way over here. In fact investments in remote places like vietnam even took a hit <sigh> shouldn't have happened

[Baldrick]

My 2 cents; Oil companies as well as most (99.999999999%) of corporates work to the theory of "charge as much as the market will stand". Cost has very little to do with anything until production costs really do exceed saleability of any product, at which point you will then generally hear these same corporates crying poor!

As for climate change, I am a pretty staunch believer that most of the hype associated with this is politically & corporate business generated. I mean how much solid data do we really have about climate when you consider this little planet has been here for lots of millions & billions of years with its weather cycling to suit its'self. So how long is a weather cycle really & how relevant is a couple of hundred years worth of data??

As for clean energy, I think it should be very much a natural progression for us to look towadrs sustainable energy sources which should really be also cheaper to produce once development costs are removed.
I do believe the hydrogen engine should be decades ahead of where its current designs are. ( I have heard stories that it has been working for decades but the big oil companies have bought the technology & quashed it in order to eliminate competition with its fossil fuelled engines?? )

[the.weavster]

If greenhouse gases were the cause of global warming you would expect the troposphere to heat up faster than the planets surface but in fact the evidence shows the reverse is happening.

Even the raw data used in Al Gores propaganda film demonstrated CO2 levels changing in response to temperature changes it just didn't reveal the true time line to the viewer, it only showed the correlation between the two.

In the last 10,000 years the planets warmest periods were long before humans were pumping out CO2.

As for 'climate change' it's nothing new, the climate has never been constant.

[Rook Zimbabwe]

This planet needs an enema!

[pdwyer]

Okay, lets say that greenhouse gases aren't responsible, lets also accept your next point and say its just another climate change, nothing new.

That's a really bad sitation!

Previous climate changes have melted ice caps entirely and put most of the planet under water. They's also frozen the place for hundred of thousands of years.

Even worse. It means we're barking up the wrong tree on the gasses so proposed solutions are not relevent

This makes the sitation even more urgent as we are in serious trouble!

[Baldrick]

Previous climate changes have melted ice caps entirely and put most of the planet under water. They's also frozen the place for hundred of thousands of years

Well, fwiw many years ago while we were doing some earth works for flood protection on our farm, the bulldozer knocked the top off some soft boulders exposing a bunch of fossils. We had some geologists visit from a university near here who estimated that & an old extinct volcanoe on our property to be around 350 million years old & both fossils & volcanoe were seabed types. Our farm is about 300Km off the Eastern coastline of NSW Au & sits roughly around 2,000 feet above sea levels.
So really its not like sea levels haven't been way way higher than they are now before.

[pdwyer]

...and if it was fine last time, I'm sure it will be fine again.

[Baldrick]

Maaaaaaaaattttteeee............ its all good!

[Kaeru Gaman]

@Baldrick
but also land levels changes with the long time.

even the Alps where Seaground millions of years ago, but there where a lot of dry land at the same time.

in the end this is a good solution by nature...
imagine how much organic material covers the seaground.
when this lifts and becomes dry land, it's best humus soil for forests and agriculture....

the main problem we humans have is our rediculously short period of history...
two or three thousand years is almost nothing...
thus we have serious problems to cope with great longterm changes...

[Baldrick]

@Kaeru Gaman,
I couldn't agree with you more.

but also land levels changes with the long time

The Tsunami we had in indonesia a couple of years back was a result of seabed ground shift. Think that is a pretty good example of that.
Mother nature will ALWAYS win out 1 way or another in the end.
( freeze us all for a few thousnad years, then bury us all under several thousand meters of water, then in a few million years the next humans can dig us up & burn us in their coal fired power stations..... )