Emergence Basic (Brother of IBasic?)

[Kale]

but as far as i see, the assembly code trond posted isn't just alike. They are equal, and they do the stuff in the same order. The only possible explanation is, that the compiler is written in the same compiler, and it happens to be some kind of internal actions. But even so, its just too much alike..

I'm sure they probably would look the same as they both use the same assembler (nasm). The parsers differs, which were created using Parser Generator2 for Yacc and Lex. Both language's IDEs and compilers are written in VC++ 5.0 using DLL's written in Aurora. Both share a lot of code with each other including IBasic. Where possible, everything is being re-written using Aurora.

So whats the big deal? :roll:

[fsw]

Trond, why do these points you've raised matter? IBasic is dead! and you don't know of the deals made between Paul and Tom! So really what does it matter if Aurora or EBasic uses some common code of IBasic's IDE? After all, they are all written by the same guy.

What does it matter?
It depends how the contract was when IBasic got sold.

Normally with such transactions you sell the source code.
This means the source code has a new owner.
The old owner has sold his rights to use any copy of the sold sources.

It's that simple.

If IBasic's new owner didn't buy the ownership of the IBasic sources then he spent $50K for nothing.

If Paul Turley used the old sources as a starting point for Aurora and EBasic (and assuming he sold the sources to IBasic) then he is violating the agreement.

In any case, if Mr. Turley did something wrong only the new owner of IBasic is the one that can sue...

[fsw]

I don't understand the attitudes of some people regarding IBasic. Ok so the new owner left users in the lurch but did you expect it to last forever? Just get over it and move on. There are afterall plenty of languages to use and you are already using the best BASIC on the planet, so why grumble?

If you watched the IBasic/Aurora forums and see how many times Paul T. is asking for money (for himself, for his mom, for ...) from it's users... and his users are so kind to help him out.

On the other hand he is kicking someone in the head that is already down (IBasic).

If you look as an outsider, something just doesn't add up

[Trond]

but as far as i see, the assembly code trond posted isn't just alike. They are equal, and they do the stuff in the same order. The only possible explanation is, that the compiler is written in the same compiler, and it happens to be some kind of internal actions. But even so, its just too much alike..

I'm sure they probably would look the same as they both use the same assembler (nasm). The parsers differs, which were created using Parser Generator2 for Yacc and Lex. Both language's IDEs and compilers are written in VC++ 5.0 using DLL's written in Aurora. Both share a lot of code with each other including IBasic. Where possible, everything is being re-written using Aurora.

So whats the big deal? :roll:

The big deal is that both of them share a lot of code with each other including IBasic and that White Eagle says that this is not case.

When I tried the demo version of IBasic I found it to be product with very little value to me. When people now says "try the new EBasic, it shares no code with IBasic" then they are lying to me about the capability of the product they are advertising. In addition, since there is no demo version I would have to base my decision on whether to purchase on that information.

That's a big deal for me.

[theNerd]

The IDEs will appear the same because PT uses a 3rd party library. Tom has no ownership over something like that.

An interesting thing about PureBasic and IBasic is I have rarely seen someone who likes them equally well. The styles are so completely different.

I personally think PureBasic produces smaller and faster code but IBasic is a little more like traditional BASIC. PureBasic also runs on 3 different platforms. I think eBasic will eventually run on Linux, as well, but I bet that is a ways off.

It definately seems awkward talking about another Basic on this forum. Fred has labored much on making PureBasic the best he can and hasn't given up on it. Languages like PureBasic and eBasic are a dying breed. I want to see both survive for many years to come or we'll all be forced to use either .NET or C++.

[thefool]

Statement from Paul at the IonicWind websited when a user framed him for killing IBasic:

No. Tom killed it by abandoning both the user base and the website. Even when IBasic users sent the authorities to his door he pretended not to know anything about it.

Now it is a year and a half later, and you have Emergence if you want it. If not then that is OK too, no one is twisting your arm.

Enough said.

That's a big deal for me.

Sure it means a lot for me too.. Its called lying

[dracflamloc]

Sorry to butt in... but isn't this kind of topic and discussion, even though its in off-topic, better suited to the IBasic or Ebasic forum?

[fsw]

Re: Cat's out of the Bag!
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2005, 12:38:07 PM »

Of course it was deliberate. Probably someone from PureBasic. They don't like me, mainly because of a member that Vikki and I banned some time ago. You argued with him extensively there, which will get you nowhere. And they all beleive his half truths.

I am not trying to cause any problems for IBasic, which is why I did not want anyone posting there about it. If I wanted to compete against all the BASIC's out there I would have made another similar language. Not my goal, and don't need the stress.

The nice thing about C style languages is there isn't the passionate zealots to deal with. You either like the language, or you move on to the next. When I did C++ programming full time I never once had to deal with the overly immature people that frequent BASIC language forums. That's not saying that any of you fall into that category of course Wink

I see a language as a tool, like a hammer or a scroll saw, you pick the right tool for the job at hand.

[theNerd]

It's a good thing he changed his mind because there sure were a lot of people who felt betrayed by Tom and wanted IBasic to live in one form or another.

[thefool]

I see a language as a tool, like a hammer or a scroll saw, you pick the right tool for the job at hand.

Thats right though.. And aurora does not look like basic.

[theNerd]

Even when IBasic users sent the authorities to his door he pretended not to know anything about it.

Sure it means a lot for me too.. Its called lying

Not sure what part you're calling him a liar on but the authorities were called to his apartment. That information was on the old, now defunct Pyxia board (go here to see that Pyxia really is dead: www.pyxia.com).

The truth is, Tom did abandon Pyxia long ago and there were many die hard IBasic users left in the dark. I don't know why they didn't move to PureBasic but that's their decision and is once again based on personal preference for a language style.

[theNerd]

Sorry to butt in... but isn't this kind of topic and discussion, even though its in off-topic, better suited to the IBasic or Ebasic forum?

You're absolutely correct. I have never seen discussions like this turn out for the better, anyways. Just a whole lot of mud slinging.

[thefool]

Ehm i was not reffering to paul, but all the users who say that its not the same and come with big protests.

Reading a bit on the forum Paul seems like a good guy, not a bad guy

[Pantcho!!]

Yack Yack Blah Blah!!

Who cares?!?!?

PB rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can code anything (almost) with it
We got a damn good communities with valuable lib's created everyday!

again who gives???

PB is the BASIC for me for life

[dracflamloc]

Hi pantschew

Viva la Purebasic?