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fsw wrote:

mlwhitt wrote:I have looked at it, but it didn't seem to be anywhere near some complete and professional as PureBasic.

fsw wrote:
PureBasic is not the only one...
Ever heard of HotBasic

It can't.
Work on PureBasic started around 6 years ago (or even longer).
Work on HotBasic started May 2003.

Also, it all depends on your needs.

If you look at the oop side of a language then HB is miles ahead.

Fri Jun 27, 2003 00:26; Fred wrote: I said I will implement structure to access DX and COM object easily but not class, and all OO behavior.
That's a BASIC language.

If you look at the GUI event handling then PB is stoneage compared to HB, and there is no change in sight (not even for V4) as can be seen here:
viewtopic.php?t=15470&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

PB has his strenght on other things and as you can see different goals.

That's why it's important to use the right tool for the job.

Have fun coding

the.weavster wrote:I bought HotBasic 2 years ago on a whim (I don't know if it's changed since), then you really needed a good knowledge of the Win32 api to do any gui work with it because you had to use it to trap any events that were happening in your app, there was no built in event type constants like you get with PureBasic. They were calling it a 'cross-platform' compiler but there was 8ugg3r all chance of the programs you wrote being cross platform as a result.

They were also calling it an 'OOP' language but with other OOP languages (like REALbasic for example) you can create as many instances of an object as you require. Even a window is an object so once you've designed it you can instantiate any number of instances of it at runtime using the 'New' keyword and each instance of the window can refer to it's own controls, properties and methods etc.. just by using 'Self.' You can not do that with HotBasic so imo a lot of the advantage of using objects is lost.

I think srod wrote a tutorial on doing oop with PureBasic, I think spending time reading that would be a better investment than purchasing HotBasic.

You say HotBasic slashes development time. How?

Lots of time is wasted developing applications in other languages because the language itself just gets in the way. So many popular programming languages nowadays are full of alien punctuation, run-on notation, odd structure, and abbreviated keywords. This makes the code hard to read and hard to write, which is bad enough for projects with only one developer. The problem is made much, much worse when a programming project requires a team of developers who waste untold amounts of time trying to figure out what each other are doing.

HotBasic relieves you of that burden by delivering a language and syntax that's logical, intuitive, and extremely readable. With HotBasic, developers spend more time thinking about what their programs should do and less time trying to make heads or tails out of Martian code.

Why are HotBasic executables smaller, faster, more efficient, and more secure?
Unlike every other compiler on the market, HotBasic is all-new technology fit for the 21st century. Other compilers, on the other hand, rely on obsolete general purpose libraries.

A library is like a software toolbox. It contains procedures that are used over and over again. This makes the process of writing software much easier. The problem with the other compilers on the market is, the libraries they use are ten, 15, and sometimes 20 years old! Think about how much technology has changed in the past ten years and that should give you an idea of what we're talking about.

HotBasic doesn't use any of that outmoded technology. HotBasic was developed from scratch using the latest techniques in programming and system design. We didn't copycat anyone else or use anything "off the shelf." We started with a clean slate and committed ourselves to building HotBasic the right way. And it paid off big. Now you can benefit from our hard work!

Fred wrote:BTW, the quote on web site than "HotBasic is the best", "21st compiler" and such are just plain wrong, or they didn't take a look to PureBasic. PB is way ahead, for any part of it.

srod wrote:... From what thanos has posted, I would guess that the HB site is just as terrible as ever. How can you trust a language in which no useful information is given as to it's usefulness etc?

HotBasic's web site wrote:the executables it produces are smaller [...] than the executables produced by the competition

$APPTYPE CONSOLE
PRINT "hello"
PAUSE

OpenConsole()
Print("hello")
Input()
CloseConsole()

PB wrote:Sorry HotBasic: you lose!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOQHw4Ymy6c

Fred wrote:Thanos: Have you installed HotBasic trial and tried it ? It speaks for itself. BTW, the quote on web site than "HotBasic is the best", "21st compiler" and such are just plain wrong, or they didn't take a look to PureBasic. PB is way ahead, for any part of it.

$APPTYPE GUI
$TYPECHECK ON
$SYMBOLTABLE ON

defint i,fHnd,rHnd,fFlags,rFlags
defstr title$="HotBasic(tm) Dialogs Test 1.4"
RANDOMIZE TIMER
SHOWCONSOLE

Declare SUB ShowTitle (tstr as STRING)

SUB ShowTitle
Color 11: PRINT tstr: Color 7
END SUB

create f as form
  width=380: height=100
  center
  icon="hotbasic.ico"
  caption=title$
  resizeable=false
  maximizebox=false

  create b0 as button
    left=10: top=10: width=80
    caption="Open File"
    onclick=OpenFile
  end create
 
  create Open as opendialog
    caption = "HotBasic OpenDialog"
    DefExt = "sys"
    InitialDir = "C:"
  end create
end create
  
PRINT title$

f.showmodal
END

OpenFile:
Open.Flags = &H205800
IF Open.Execute THEN GOSUB ShowOpen
RETURN

ShowOpen:
ShowTitle "OPEN DIALOG"
PRINT "Open.FileName   = "; Open.FileName
RETURN

EnableExplicit
Global xWin, xButt, iEvent, iEventGadget, sFileName.s

xWin  = OpenWindow(#PB_Any, 100, 200, 380, 100, "HotBasic(tm) Dialogs Test 1.4", #PB_Window_SystemMenu | #PB_Window_MinimizeGadget)
If xWin
  xButt = ButtonGadget(#PB_Any, 10, 10, 80, 20, "Open File")

  Repeat
    iEvent  = WaitWindowEvent(1)
    Select iEvent
      Case #PB_Event_Gadget
        iEventGadget = EventGadget()
        If iEventGadget = xButt 
           sFileName = OpenFileRequester("HotBasic OpenDialog", "C:\anyFile.sys", "*.sys", 0)
           If sFileName
              OpenConsole()
              PrintN(sFileName)
              Input()
              CloseConsole()
           EndIf
        EndIf
    EndSelect
  Until iEvent = #PB_Event_CloseWindow
 EndIf
End

i am looking for a tool to build gui applications easier.

defstr title$="HotBasic(tm) Dialogs Test 1.4"
..
create f as form
width=380: height=100
center
icon="hotbasic.ico"
caption=title$
resizeable=false
maximizebox=false

xWin = OpenWindow(#PB_Any, 100, 200, 380, 100, "HotBasic(tm) Dialogs Test 1.4", #PB_Window_SystemMenu | #PB_Window_MinimizeGadget)

I am only searching for a tool, such VB6, which offers data bound controls and some wizards to design the user interface. BTW i do not like VB.Net.

rrpl wrote: Thanos wrote:

I am only searching for a tool, such VB6, which offers data bound controls and some wizards to design the user interface. BTW i do not like VB.Net.

Well we all would like the world to be a better place.

For me the answer to this has been (and still working on) a series of code snipits that I can insert into my code which together with Pure Form or Visual Designer allows me to quickly build the interface I want. I have used other front ends, but I generally find the process can create as much extra work as it saves.

thanos wrote:...I am a registered user of PureVision which is a very nice gui designer.
But, have you ever used a product such a Borland Delphi?
This is exactly what i mean.
...

P.S: Sorry for my bad English