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and a new automatic DirectX updater for the Windows installer.

I am running Win 8.1,

Is it on purpose that the current line of execution is kept on the top of the screen when debugging? I loved the old way where you could have the marker for the current line moving. The new way imho makes it harder to keep oriented in terms of the code.

Fred,

what did you do with the 3dEngine, am I dreaming ...
even with the debugger ON, the speed is increased with at least the double ??

Also the 'error log zone' resize works well now


Edit: WIN8 x64 - PB5.20b15

Thanks,

marc

is there possible to access beta14?
I will compare commented output with beta15.

sec wrote:

and a new automatic DirectX updater for the Windows installer.

I am running Win 8.1,

EGADS!

sec wrote:

and a new automatic DirectX updater for the Windows installer.

I am running Win 8.1,

The updater requires you to download and install a framework, just to install a native language. What kind of blasphemy is this! I hate having to install frameworks, that's why I like using and coding in PureBasic.

Opcode wrote:

sec wrote:

and a new automatic DirectX updater for the Windows installer.

I am running Win 8.1,

The updater requires you to download and install a framework, just to install a native language. What kind of blasphemy is this! I hate having to install frameworks, that's why I like using and coding in PureBasic.

There is ZERO excuse for any aspect of PB to be .NET based and I certainly won't install it for PB. If this stands, then Fred has crapped over everything PB has always stood for.

Opcode wrote:I hate having to install frameworks, that's why I like using and coding in PureBasic.

+1

Wasn't .NET Framework 3.5 delivered with Windows 7, years ago? Are you still running Win95/98/ME/2000/XP/Vista?

Danilo wrote:Wasn't .NET Framework 3.5 delivered with Windows 7, years ago? Are you still running Win95/98/ME/2000/XP/Vista?

Windows 8 and 8.1 doesn't ship with 3.5 installed, they ship with only 4.5 installed. It's available in the install/remove windows features. Tho it's not installed by default. If the DirectX updater requires .NET, I think there should be at least a checkbox option on the installer to skip the check. I honestly hate .NET with a passion, even having whatever doesn't come with Windows extra on my machine.

Opcode wrote:Windows 8 and 8.1 doesn't ship with 3.5 installed, they ship with only 4.5 installed.

Ah, right. I forgot. Just installed .NET 3.5 the first time this dialog popped up when running a .NET 3.5 app.

Opcode wrote:I honestly hate .NET with a passion, even having whatever doesn't come with Windows extra on my machine.

I don't understand what problems you guys have with the .NET framework. It is part of Windows now, just like any
other system DLLs you use every day. An add-on you have to install one time. If you, as a developer, don't use it, it just
sits on your hard drive not disturbing you. It's just there, for modern applications - you don't need to use it personally.

What is the real problem? Installing 32, 50, or 100 MB for the new Windows API framework? Are you running out of HDD space
in a time everybody has multi-terabyte-HDDs?

Common, are you that backward in time?

Install it one time and you don't have the problems anymore, that you have now.

@ Danilo: 4.5 installed, why need older?

@Danilo

You forgot, that 40% of all security updates comes for dot.net, every patchday

sec wrote:@ Danilo: 4.5 installed, why need older?

PureBasic does not use latest technology, it wants to stay compatible with older.

ts-soft wrote:You forgot, that 40% of all security updates comes for dot.net, every patchday

That's not my experience with Windows Update. Anyway, it shows that .NET is a very supported platform.

Seriously, I just install the Windows updates and .NET Framework stuff and that's it. Just done, no need to
spend my thoughts on it anymore. Would be wasted life-time...

Kuron wrote:

Opcode wrote:

sec wrote:

and a new automatic DirectX updater for the Windows installer.

I am running Win 8.1,

The updater requires you to download and install a framework, just to install a native language. What kind of blasphemy is this! I hate having to install frameworks, that's why I like using and coding in PureBasic.

There is ZERO excuse for any aspect of PB to be .NET based and I certainly won't install it for PB. If this stands, then Fred has crapped over everything PB has always stood for.

Watch your tone, it's a beta and you obviously don't know what is happening here. As said in the first post, we bundled the DirectX update setup with PB, i didn't known it was required .net framework to install (seriously ??). I think I will just use the libs and patch them then, without using the official installer.