oldefoxx wrote:heartbone wrote:Christian and Muslim are religious beliefs. Socialism is an economic philosophy. They can co-exist.
Socialism is a belief system, no different than a religion, not when it boils down to one set of people intending to and attempting to overcome another. That's what Socialists do. That's what they've always done. That is who they are. You judge by what they do, not what they say. Talk is cheap, and when what you hear are lies, which can be in the form of fabrications, distortions, exaggerations, propaganda, falsehoods, the masking and concealment of facts, the invention of new "facts", and on and on, where all these words merely rebrand lies as something other than lies. then it's time to ignore the words and look at the plain facts, which is the kindred word of Truth. Another kindred term is Proof Positive, where you begin with the facts and work to find the truth behind them. Most people don't bother. They just believe what they heard first, no matter how improbable the source.
The word religion has two meanings: one- the organized worship of a deity (like the group that you mentioned in your post) ; two- a principle, practice, or belief held to with faith and ardor (as in exercising every day).
I clearly used the word religion with the first definition in mind, and now you have overloaded the word by applying the second definition within the same discussion. No wonder you think things are confused.
You haven't bothered to look for the facts, have you? No, you just accept the lies because that's what you've been taught, and it all sounded so reasonable that it must be true, right? You go over it in your head, and it still seems right.
Your false assumptions makes for a poor discussion.
"com·mu·nism ˈkämyəˌnizəm/ noun - a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
Your definition correctly describes
Communism as
political philosophy. Many believe it is the antithesis of
democratic philosophy.
I believe
socialism and
capitalism to be opposing
economic philosophies, and not religions in the original sense of this discussion. I will be somewhat surprised if you dispute that statement.
It's time to get real, man. This was described as a "political theory", and to you, Socialism is a "economic philosophy". Those are just labels. It's what happens that counts. And socialism, in every form. seeks to undermine and eliminate what is already there and take over.
We disagree there.
I believe that all taxes are socialist in nature.
Some taxes are bad, some are good.
I happen to like life with roads, running water, sewers, and bridges.
Taxes are usually what allows these things to be created.
I would prefer to live without standing armies, nuclear power plants, and nuclear bombs.
Taxes are usually what allows these things to be created.
Ergo, there is bad socialism, and there is good socialism.
That's not something you can just live alongside of. No more than believing that Iran won't continue on the course it's set for itself to build nuclear weapons, destroy Israel, and attempt to wipe out the United States. But Obama is an Extreme Socialist. He believes what he wants to believe and ignores the facts, so he is pushing to get the agreement signed by exerting party pressure on the Democratic members of Congress. Looks like he's made it happen, because enough want their party's support for their next run for office that they will block attempts to stop the agreement from happening.
Socialist are forcing Christians to accept the Muslims, but the Muslim believe that it is their destiny to wipe out non Islamic believers, especially the Christians. When they have the power in hand to try, they will act accordingly. And Socialists are stupid and dumb enough to think it won't happen, because it does not fit in their "philosophy".
Socialists are the real "stupid"s and "dumb"s that occupy Congress, in the form of Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Independents. Do I think Republicans are smarter? Not really, they don't act like it, and they are trying to get along with everybody so they won't say it or name it for what it is: The insidious invader and corrupter from within. Or they don't see it for what it is, which even more likely. That would make them dumb, stupid, an ignorant to boot.
That seems like a gross oversimplification of the situation.
When you really look, the facts become evident. I'm trained to use my mind, to evaluate, and to reject what is unverifiable, and work to a conclusion. That's what I did. Can you do the same? Don't take my word for all this. Learn for yourself. Become a goat rather than stay a sheep. Or be a ram, ready to bump heads for reasons you finally can justify to yourself. But you won't. Your kind never do. And what is your kind? To be part of the flock. To take another's word. To never really question what you are part of.
If you answer your own questions with more false assumptions, then it will be hard for you to actually learn true answers.
BTW, IMO educating a mind is preferable to training a mind. Animals are trained.
Ask yourself a few questions, like these for example:
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(7) Joe Blow down the street is on disability and gets government money. He could work, but doesn't have to, because he's also on foodstamps and the rest. Shouldn't he be made to work and pay his fair share?
It seems to me that you are advocating slavery.
Your oversimplified scenarios do not represent my reality.
How about Joe wants to work but can't find work.
He might be a great cannabis farmer, and for sure there's plenty of demand, but the government won't let him do that in their support of Big Pharma and Big Oil.
Whose fault is it really, Joe's or crony capitalism?
Socialism speaks for itself: "Socialism is a political movement that centers on changing the economic means of ownership and production. Its main objective is to foster a cooperative economy through the creation of cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership or shared equity ".
Reread your statement and it is quite easy to see that socialism is an economic and not a political philosophy.
Cooperative enterprises translates to "worm their way in and make changes to further their cause". "common ownership, state ownership, or shared equity" puts socialism right in line with the goals of Communism.
Agreed.
Notice it is a "political movement", not the bland "economic philosophy" that it was stated to be. Political movement can be understood to be an effort to bring about change in human affairs. And that is what they are doing. By any means possible.
Again you seem very confused here, trying to paint things with a Boolean palette.
I will restate for you that
all taxes are socialist, and add to that
all money is capitalistic by its very nature.
(I was never taught that obvious truth about taxes, I've had to reason it out all by myself. See if you can find that bit of sage philosophy anywhere else. By your reasoning does that make me a sheep or goat?)
The United States of America uses taxes.
Did you know that the USSR used rubles?
The world is not just black and white olde man.
I hope that you learned something, because that is why I replied.
