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Posted: **Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:03 pm**

heartbone wrote:
GPI wrote:
heartbone wrote:GPI, you are posting as if you have decrypted the data being transferred between Vista 10 and the M$ data farms.
Has you decrypted the data?
Why ask me on a public forum if I'm breaking the "law"? Of course I haven't!

Funny thing... Presumption of innocence - one of the important rule of democray.

O.T.
Btw. what smart phone do you use?
I'm not dumb enough to use one, and you do know that there are studies which indicate that the microwave fields emitted by cellphones lead to cancers, don't you? I prefer good health over whatever one may think that they gain by using a smartphone. And what does that have to do with Vista 10?

The funny thing is - Google does everything before with Android. iOS synchronise with iCloud etc. And now Microsoft do the same - and they are evil. That doesn't make any sense.

MS must react to survive! As simple it is. They need the data to make synchronisation of diffrent PCs/Laptops/Handys possible. American firms/people have a complete diffrent view on data privacy. That is the main problem.

But i don't understand, why Win10 is now evil - and Android, iOS, MacOs not? Why? They do all the same! All work with the govermant. They are all american firms. And in case of google: Their capital are privat information about their users!

Why now Win10? Because you (and other) hate MS. Now it is evil, because it is MS. As simple it is.

And that is the problem. We need to talk about data privacy. But articel like this above doesn't help here, because they are only conspiracy theory. The author want to harm MS, nothing else. And for this he would write everything. Thats the main problem with the Internet: Everybody can write everything they want... Such articel and words like "Vista10" don't help, they prevent a serious discussion about it.

Posted: **Wed Sep 16, 2015 9:42 pm**

GPI wrote:Funny thing... Presumption of innocence - one of the important rule of democray.

Sorry, but how your statement relates to anything previously posted in this thread went right over my head.

The funny thing is - Google does everything before with Android. iOS synchronise with iCloud etc. And now Microsoft do the same - and they are evil. That doesn't make any sense.

Perhaps it would make more sense to you if you thought that Google was evil.

MS must react to survive! As simple it is. They need the data to make synchronisation of diffrent PCs/Laptops/Handys possible. American firms/people have a complete diffrent view on data privacy. That is the main problem.

Obviously.

But i don't understand, why Win10 is now evil - and Android, iOS, MacOs not? Why? They do all the same! All work with the govermant. They are all american firms. And in case of google: Their capital are privat information about their users!

Why now Win10? Because you (and other) hate MS. Now it is evil, because it is MS. As simple it is.

Again IMO your base assumption about Google and Apple is in error. All multinational corporations have to adopt a stance of fealty to the globalists (against the common people), or perish.

And that is the problem. We need to talk about data privacy. But articel like this above doesn't help here, because they are only conspiracy theory. The author want to harm MS, nothing else. And for this he would write everything. Thats the main problem with the Internet: Everybody can write everything they want... Such articel and words like "Vista10" don't help, they prevent a serious discussion about it.

If the presence of certain words prevent you from being able to participate in a discussion, then that's the way it is.
Fortunately not everyone is so inhibited.
Normal logic dictates that the enemies of freedom be opposed and vanquished, not appeased.
Does that help to clarify any consistency issues that you have with (our) disdain for a bully?

Posted: **Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:29 am**

Danilo wrote:
Num3 wrote:Wonder what E.U. will do on this
The European Union may have other problems right now.

EU have many problems unsolved, the humanitarian crisis is just a shame and just shows how bad politicians are. But if one of those problems has the opportunity to make them some money, trust me they wont take long in reaching some agreement and go after MS.

Posted: **Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:29 pm**

@heartbone

Again IMO your base assumption about Google and Apple is in error. All multinational corporations have to adopt a stance of fealty to the globalists (against the common people), or perish.

Absolutely 100% spot on.

Zebuddi.

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:24 pm**

Zebuddi123 wrote:@heartbone

Again IMO your base assumption about Google and Apple is in error. All multinational corporations have to adopt a stance of fealty to the globalists (against the common people), or perish.
Absolutely 100% spot on.

Zebuddi.

I thank you for your agreement.

My daughter's desktop died and I'm in the process of buying a refurbished Windows® 7 Professional desktop.
Of course I want to avoid the new spyware, and I have been dutifully collecting KB numbers of the problematic updates to be avoided.

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    KB2506928
    KB2545698 
    KB2592687
    KB2726535
    KB2660075
    KB2876229 
    KB2923545 
    KB2952664 
    KB2970228
    KB2976978
    KB2990214
    KB2994023
    KB3021917
    KB3022345 
    KB3035583  (the GWX rabbit hole)
    KB3050265
    KB3065987
    KB3068708 
    KB3075249
    KB3080149

I just learned of the Destroy Windows Spyware suite which looks promising.

Does anyone have any experience with or opinions about that DWS utility?

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:09 pm**

First of all: When you don't trust Windows, don't use it. To use a Applikation/OS without all updates is a very stupid idea.

About your tool:
https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windo ... DwsForm.cs

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private void InstallCer()
        {
            //-------- EXTRACT CERTMGR --------
            File.Create(Path.GetTempPath() + "certmgr.exe").Close();
            File.WriteAllBytes(Path.GetTempPath() + "certmgr.exe", Resources.certmgr);
            //---------------------------------
            //------ EXTRACT CERTIFICATE ------
            File.Create(Path.GetTempPath() + "wzt.cer").Close();
            File.WriteAllBytes(Path.GetTempPath() + "wzt.cer", Resources.wzt);
            //---------------------------------
            //------ INSTALL CERTIFICATE ------
            ProcStartargs(Path.GetTempPath() + "certmgr.exe",
                "-add \"" + Path.GetTempPath() + "wzt.cer\" -s -r localMachine ROOT");
            ProcStartargs(Path.GetTempPath() + "certmgr.exe",
                "-add \"" + Path.GetTempPath() + "wzt.cer\" -s -r localMachine TRUSTEDPUBLISHER");
            //---------------------------------
            //------ DELETE TEMP FILES --------
            File.Delete(Path.GetTempPath() + "certmgr.exe");
            File.Delete(Path.GetTempPath() + "wzt.cer");
            _OutPut("Sertificate installed.");
        }

It seems, that the "tool" install a own certificate.... with an additional Programm certmgr.exe - i don't find any source or documentation about this program.

The tool does many changes in the system, without documentation what it does and what side effect this could have. Also there is no "reverse"-Button - they will set a Windows-System-Restore-Point - but there is a Problem in Windows10 - this function is disabled by default!

Posted: **Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:37 pm**

GPI wrote:First of all: When you don't trust Windows, don't use it. To use a Applikation/OS without all updates is a very stupid idea.

I trust pre August 2015 Windows® 7, and that is what I intend to use. In my opinion, the advantage gained by applying any subsequent spyware updates is far outweighed by the fact that customer data tracking is a very stupid idea for a personal computer OS.

About your tool: https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windo ... DwsForm.cs

It seems, that the "tool" install a own certificate.... with an additional Programm certmgr.exe - i don't find any source or documentation about this program.

The tool does many changes in the system, without documentation what it does and what side effect this could have. Also there is no "reverse"-Button - they will set a Windows-System-Restore-Point - but there is a Problem in Windows10 - this function is disabled by default!

Thanks for the observation.
Based on your feedback (and the name of the utility, Destroy Windows

) I would not be comfortable deploying this on a Windows® 7 install, so it's probably going to be the selective manual update method for me until I learn a better way to protect my computing environment.

Posted: **Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:41 am**

I'm running Spybot S&D 1.6.2 on my XP desktop right now and have been a satisfied user for close to 10 years, so I expect that this is a great utility: Spybot Anti-Beacon

For most regular users I suppose theirs is an acceptable solution, adding even more running software to negate the effect of unnecessary software hogging the system resources. I do hope that Safer-Networking Ltd. gets plenty of deserved donations from their users for their fix to Vista 10, Windows® 8, and infected Windows® 7 installations.

For me, a "power user", I'd rather not even install the stuff in the first place.

As a Win 7 user, I'd install Spybot Anti-Beacon to be run only after (the non-automatic) Windows® Updates, to check if anything had slipped through my guard and needed to be deleted. I'd then turn the anti-beacon utility off once it detects no infections after the system updates.

Posted: **Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:52 pm**

With encrypted data being sent, no one knows if the information at this link is true or not!

A (Terrifying) Traffic Analysis of Windows 10

I'd lean towards believing it, since no one can prove otherwise, although in a sane computing environment one should be able to.

In my opinion, the possibility of such a scheme should pose a serious security risk question for all users, considering how much security relies on typed passwords.

If it is happening, then an identity snatch scenario, much like the one portrayed in the old Sandra Bullock movie "The Net", could easily be facilitated by Vista 10.

Just a little something to consider as you make future product support decisions.

Posted: **Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:41 pm**

http://govtslaves.info/investigating-al ... -nsa-list/

If it's true that proselytizing Linux can get you on a terror watch list, I'm in trouble.

I'm totally disgusted with the fear based mindset that is becoming normal among far too many in power.
Will a real boogieman actually do something one day to justify all this fright?
I sincerely doubt it, but in the meantime the "war on terror" is quite lucrative for the few, and freedom draining for the many.

I want to re-post one comment at the bottom of the linked page.
If the story is true, then Garry's comment truly makes a lot of sense.

Garry Button
Just shows how much Microsoft is in bed with the government. It also shows that Windows 10 is nothing but spyware.

Posted: **Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:42 am**

heartbone wrote:I'm totally disgusted with the fear based mindset that is becoming normal among far too many in power.

How the irony eludes someone who practices fear-mongering.

heartbone wrote:Will a real boogieman actually do something one day to justify all this fright?

With a prophet-of-doom like you, who needs a boogeyman.

heartbone wrote:...freedom draining for the many.

The simple truth is, Microsoft has admitted to data-collection, and even to cooperating with law-enforcement, as and when necessary. That's no secret.

And another simple truth is, spy agencies have been set up for... you guessed it, spying.

Telcos and post offices have always been under the purview of the government, and have never truly been private. Today, that includes the internet. Only a fool would expect privacy when using public infrastructure.

Wanna keep a secret? Mum's the word.

Posted: **Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:03 pm**

Sometimes for entertainment I like to feed trolls.

TI-994A wrote:
heartbone wrote:I'm totally disgusted with the fear based mindset that is becoming normal among far too many in power.
How the irony eludes someone who practices fear-mongering.

Oh font of fiction, does the wink indicate that you were just joking, or is it another distortion of the truth that you've once again posted?

TI wrote:Telcos and post offices have always been under the purview of the government, and have never truly been private. Today, that includes the internet. Only a fool would expect privacy when using public infrastructure.

So Trolling Individual, you think that online banking and credit card buying are for fools?
You could be correct there, time will tell.

Posted: **Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:37 pm**

heartbone wrote:...you think that online banking and credit card buying are for fools?

Unless you're totally off the grid, which means absolutely no electronic records or transactions whatsoever, your absolute standing, including your buying habits, are never exempt from big brother's prying eyes.

Only fools would think otherwise.

* another cryptic wink for you to decipher

Posted: **Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:15 pm**

This from last week....

"Along with several apps, the November update removed a folder I had: D:\projects\chrome. Inside that folder were 5 other folders, each a separate chrome app I was working on, one of which I'd finished and was working on a "free" version of. These were Node projects, each setup with Grunt or Webpack to build unpacked Chrome apps for development. I have no idea why M$ decided they needed to be removed. I can understand them removing Speccy, which crashed when run, but my Node projects? And not all of them, just the chrome apps and a website I'd barely started working on (also in d:\projects.)

All of the files are gone. By the time I realized it, too much had been written to the D drive (I have all my folders setup there, including downloads.) I tried running un-delete software, but the info I got back was too fragmented. A good months worth of work, gone.

Thanks MS. Looks like it's back to Linux.

I may give Mint a try but will probably end up back with Ubuntu. I'll VM Windows inside of that for testing stuff.

For now, the Windows Update Service has been disabled. Can't trust M$ to not delete my stuff! "

Go Linux!

Posted: **Fri Feb 12, 2016 3:40 pm**

At this point TPTB have not actually used the spyware capabilities of Vista 10 to control the flock, but rest assured that Big Brother will eventually tighten the noose.
Only after most have become dependent on the OS, with no easy way back to a more personal experience.

Even if I were using WinX, I'm not worried about the man catching me doing anything wrong.
Of more concern is the insecurity of personal digital IP.
However my main concern is that M$ could decide to not allow certain software functionality that they deem is "threatening".
You know, something like running peer-to-peer software (my ESChat program for instance which allows file transfers between private users) that doesn't go thorough "approved" servers.
Perhaps a crackdown on Bitcoin style cash might be the excuse.

Or, if I wanted to be cynical, I could speculate that due to unforeseen "terror emergency" circumstances the authorities might even decide (for your safety) to prevent "unsigned" apps from running, with no possibility of override.
Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? I doubt it.
We've already read on several web blogs and forums that Vista 10 seems to remove applications from user's computers without notice.

So before M$ tries to do what all globalist corporations naturally want to, extract cash from dependent customers, I'll just skip the drama and not support their new framework.
Matter of fact, I discourage any use of it.

Although 7 is the Windows® sweet spot, and will remain so for years, I still run XP, which at this point still does everything I need from a computer OS.

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