Closing Topics and users opinions about pure!?

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:45 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by freak.

Fred answered before, and I wrote all that in the closed Topic. Fred said, that I wrote, what he wanted to say, so he didn't say it again.
It is you that doesn't listen, not fred.

Here it is again:
Doubles: v4.0
Visual Designer: v3.6
Other Bugs: every new release (if possible)
Recources: Maybe some day, not for now.

That are really clear statements for me, what is it that you don't understand here?

> Btw du fact "its not the right way here"... I think its not the
> right way to close just only a topic where ppl could discusse and
> some active ppl and newbies could think about this all and failed
> demotivated - so just close it!

It is not only one Topic, don't you realize that?
ATM you really go on peoples nerves.

These are from the last 48 Hours, now that's what I call anoying others:

viewtopic.php?t=5249
viewtopic.php?t=5255
viewtopic.php?t=4669
viewtopic.php?t=2564

Have a nice day, i'll shut up now...

Timo

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:51 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by THCM.

Hey MrVainSCL!

STOP begging! If you want to code professional software, then go out and buy a professional programming language with professional support and professional prices! I am also lurking around and interested in seeing features added i'd like to use in the near future! But I also know, that some features like Doubles are not so easy to implement.

Purebasic had a nice community, but at the moment things are changing! I'm totally impressed how fast Purebasic is growing and how fast Fred is implementing new features, removing bugs etc.

So please stay down and be calm for a little longer!

The Human Code Machine / Masters' Design Group

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:51 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Berikco.

Well MrVain, I'm in the computer business for over 20 years now, and have developed a system to monitor server hardware, Temperatures, RAID controllers, power supply etc...
This system is monitoring more than 100 companys there servers now at this moment.
This software was developed in GFA Basic32, and small part in Delphi.
I had problems with it, the program stoped responding after 2 to 4 weeks, only solution was to let server reboot every week.

last year, i trow GFA and Delphi away, and ported my app to PureBasic in 2 months.
Now its running on servers from december, never had any problem, its stable as a rock, no reboot needed.
This software writen in PureBasic protects the server from the main court house 'palace of justice' in Antwerp/Belgium , and over 100 other company's.

And yes, i also make some nice money with the apps i code, definetly not 59 euro like Fred.

so i can only Quote Paul here....I know you have your mind made up about how things should be and there is no way anyone can change that... but at least try not to mix up your personal opinions with fact.

Regards,

Berikco

http://www.benny.zeb.be/purebasic.htm

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:38 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Max..

Enjoy

Thanks. And promise me to use the money for anything useful, like cheap women and expansive booze.

Max. - /off to order

Max.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:39 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by MAGI.

So guys, howâ€™s the weather in your area? Lotâ€™s of sunshine around here!

Fredâ€¦ thanks and stay the course man. If you were anymore accommodating, youâ€™d have to be coding while listening to suggestions.

DNA, proof positive coding came before humans. The coder:)

Regards,
Marc

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:51 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

@Freak

I dont think that you or anybody can ask someone to stop giving his opinion. If we are not agree with him we can discuss it (thats the reason for a forum or not?) but dont ask him to stop saying what he want to say what he want if he does in a good manner.

Is there any rules in this forums? Does this rules denies the right to say something if some one else discuss it before?. CHANGE the rules of the forum if we cant post freely anymore

This dicussion seams childish to me.
If you dont like some posts, just dont read it.

It nothing personal Freak, but i cant understand the there is some censure in a simple programming forum!!

I hope that no one misunderstood my message. Lets talk about programming and forget the absurd militar rules, we are not in war yet!!

Best Regards

Ricardo

Dont cry for me Argentina...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:12 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by freak.

> Is there any rules in this forums? Does this rules denies the right to say something if some
> one else discuss it before?. CHANGE the rules of the forum if we cant post freely anymore

I don't say, anybody shouldn't say his opinion. I'm not talking abou things being asked some before.

I don't like it, if he sais this stuff over and over again (within 2 days!). As I said in the closed Topic, reminding from time to time is OK, but not 4 Times within 2 Days!!

Got my point?

It's not about censoring, it's about not going on peoples nerves

> I hope that no one misunderstood my message. Lets talk about programming and forget the absurd
> militar rules, we are not in war yet!!

Are you sure?

... just joking... relax

Timo

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 12:40 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kale.

I think you want mutch features like a language for appz and games! Sure it would be nice to have! But its the wrong point to start with a 3D engine, even if there are other (a lot) things that are basical in nearly other language and users required here as long as i know!

i think this is an over exaggeration, please read Fred replies to topics over the last month, like Timo says we all know Fred's plan, just deal with it. I personally think Fred is on the right track with all his hard work, and just remember the stuff you are asking for are major things (doubles, real floats, resources, etc...) i'm sure they will be addressed in future releases, i mean how many times have we all read Fred say "Ok i'll add it to my list", just relax for now, Fred's got it covered, ok.

--Kale

In love with PureBasic!

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:08 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by MrVainSCL.

@Kale:
I think thing would be going mutch better here if anybody knows what happen and whats on the todo list (we just need a public todo list)! This would solve a lot of such discussions like this one!

I only wanted to show fred and all ppl here that there are ppl and mabye companies outside taking a look to pure, due fact they are in intersted in its languages and i think its realldy sad, when such ppl will not join due fact of the missing stuff and the big bug list. Hope you and the others here can understand what i mean!? I still hope so...

greetz
MrVainSCL! aka Thorsten

PIII450, 256MB Ram, 80GB HD + 6,4 GB, RivaTNT, DirectX9.0, SB AWE64, Win2000 + all Updates...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 1:51 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by fred.

MrVain: That's enough. Leave. I can't do anoything for you anymore.

Fred - AlphaSND

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 3:13 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Inner.

Fred; you'll know this

"You can please some of them some of the time, but never all of them all of time"

MrVainSCL;

I find it a little hard to believe that you are "professional programmer" or as you put it "pro coder", as "professionals" normally conduct themselfs with a little more maturity, however it might be just your lack of good English language skills so forgive me that much.

Besides this, if you are a professional programmer you really have no reason to be using "basic", I use basic because it doesn't confuse my brain as much as C/C++/C# etc.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 4:33 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by tinman.

Originally posted by Inner

Besides this, if you are a professional programmer you really have no reason to be using "basic"

That's not strictly true - you should use the language which fits your needs (simplicity/complexity, features, speed/ease of development, development team skills, time to market, price, platform, etc). Using basic should not be frowned upon if it gives you the results you need.

Well, unless it's VisualBasic which really is the devil's tool ;p

--
It's not minimalist - I'm increasing efficiency by reducing input effort.
(Win98first ed. + all updates, PB3.51, Ed3.53)

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 5:59 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

Well, unless it's VisualBasic which really is the devil's tool ;p

Thats why very soon could be here 2'000,000 of non happy VB users looking for a smart, spedd, small and friendly language and this language is PureBasic.

Best Regards

Ricardo

Dont cry for me Argentina...

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sat Mar 01, 2003 11:00 pm

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Hitman.

I think PB is a "shortcut" of programming either for pros and newbies, actually I'm so happy to hear there's a Visual Designer coming in 3.6.

Well, everyone needs to do something for living.

BackupUser · Post by **BackupUser** » Sun Mar 02, 2003 12:23 am

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Fangbeast.

This is just a General reply, Not aimed at you specifically MrVain (I have done some of my own whinging too in public and private after all!!)

Like Berikco, I have been in the computer game one way or another for a long time (around 25 years thereabouts) and I have written programs on microcomputer languages that made it to the commercial stage.

I have learned several things from this.

1. Computer develoment;language wise; take a long time to be truly successful.
2. It takes a lot of R&D. 3. With more and more users piling on each month/year/century, and everyone of them asking for features or requesting something, it takes longer to get things done.
3. Each feature asked for, considered and developed takes time to be Implemented, tested and then debugged in the real world.

Yes, I know everyone wants something and is always annoyed when he/she/it doesn't get it immediately (as do I, I am human after all) but ratio of 1 programming language coder to God alone knows how many PureBasic coders is obscenely huge and impossible!!

Patience is a necessary virtue in this business and I would stongly suggest to anyone who doesn't get instant gratification to go and find other projects to occupy their time and get them off the angst treadmill. I am constantly going into micro projects when the major ones cannot immediately be fixed.

Remember some important things. If Fred is to maintain a successful language, he needs our help and support. If he doesn't get it, he will either drop the project, slow development to a crawl as he tries to cope with everyone and their personalities or even worse, end up in hospital from the stress.

I tried 15 years ago to do something similar to Fred's huge workload. I ended up in the cardiac ward of a hospital with 4 sets of monitors beeping all over me, nearly dead. I have been playing catchup with my life ever since.

I don't want Fred to drop PureBasic and I don't want him to end up like me, it isn't fair.

We are Dyslexic of Borg, prepare to have your ass laminated!