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Thorium wrote:The Amiga rights do not belong to commodore anymore and are traded several times and allready used several times to sell PC's as new Amigas or even new C64s.

That sucks, I never owned an Amiga but the store I worked for sold them and I wanted one. At the time I thought the Amiga was so cutting edge that it was way ahead of everything else available, Apples, PCs, Macs, whatever.

After it's demise, I often wonder if it would have done better if Commodore had never gotten their hands on it, because it sure seemed to me like all they did was royally screw it up.

Commodore released the first Amiga, so they had it from day one (after the initial chipset design phase)

And for something intended to be the successor to / replacement for the Commodore 64 I'd say it had one hell of a good run across the various models.

My only regret is at the time I passed an Amiga setting on the curb for trash, I did not recognize or know if its significance, and opted not to pick it up as I was heavily into PC's at that point.


I've always wanted to own another genuine C64, if anything because typing on the PC keyboard is too damn difficult in emulators

Zach wrote:I've always wanted to own another genuine C64, if anything because typing on the PC keyboard is too damn difficult in emulators

That's because the idiot authors* won't let you type normally on a PC keyboard and auto-map it to the C64 keyboard. I've actually emailed the author of CCS64 and told him that it'd be easier to type a PC quote mark (Shift+Apostrophe next to the Enter key) on a PC keyboard than press Shift+2 on the PC keyboard, but he refused to do it. He said the PC keyboard should have the keys in the same place as a REAL C64. I'm all for 100% emulation but this reasoning is just stupid. Go figure. At least have an OPTION of keyboard layouts, then.

* It's the same story with Frodo and some other C64 emulators too.

MachineCode wrote: That's because the idiot authors* won't let you type normally on a PC keyboard and auto-map it to the C64 keyboard

I seem to remember VICE does just that through some configuration file, I'm only 48.7% sure about that though.
I used many emulators a lot of time ago.

Zach wrote:Commodore released the first Amiga, so they had it from day one (after the initial chipset design phase)

Commodore may have released the first Amiga but that was just a fortunate happenstance for them because they were not involved in it's initial design. Commodore "fell" into the Amiga when they bought out a small, yet highly successful, company that specialized in a variety gaming controls for the V20 and C64 computers. In a back room the company had been working on a secret project, a completely new computer design, the original Amiga.

I'm aware of that history, however I don't know how anyone could claim Commodore ruined something that hadn't even seen the light of day yet.

There is just no way to know what would have happened otherwise.

Talk about Vice, I use it to play those old C64 games, works bloody good too.
Not too sure about the Amiga I still have my old 1000 tucked away in my container somewhere, what I do remember though it blew the intel 66mhz away, when only running on 7.16mhz. Perhaps it could be optimized to blow away the latest icore's.

luis wrote:I seem to remember VICE does just that through some configuration file

I never knew that, because I checked VICE once and it's pretty crap compared to CCS64. CCS64 does everything with better emulation and better functionality (cartridge support, load/save states, machinecode monitor, etc).

Zach wrote:I'm aware of that history, however I don't know how anyone could claim Commodore ruined something that hadn't even seen the light of day yet.

There is just no way to know what would have happened otherwise.

OK, Commodore ruining the Amiga may be just my opinion but I remember that most stores that carried it and most of it's fans felt that Commodore didn't know what it was doing when it came to the Amiga. That it was too used to advertising and selling "toy" computers like the V20 and the C64 that it had no clue how to handle a real computer as a product.

For all it's features and incredible technology, it should have been a huge success, instead it just died on the vine, thanks to Commodore's ineptmess, IMO.

GWarner wrote:OK, Commodore ruining the Amiga may be just my opinion but I remember that most stores that carried it and most of it's fans felt that Commodore didn't know what it was doing when it came to the Amiga. That it was too used to advertising and selling "toy" computers like the V20 and the C64 that it had no clue how to handle a real computer as a product.

For all it's features and incredible technology, it should have been a huge success, instead it just died on the vine, thanks to Commodore's ineptmess, IMO.

I agree with you 100%!

GWarner wrote:it was too used to advertising and selling "toy" computers like the V20 and the C64

What? The C64 was always marketed as a real computer by Commodore, not a "toy". Search YouTube for the old ads.

For real. The C64 could do a shit ton of stuff and it was marketed that way..

Play games with the kids, write your school papers, do office work, balance your checkbook, etc.

I always saw the C64 as a real, serious, computer. It didn't sell 23million units, establishing a record no one has ever beat, by just being a "toy" for kids and games.

Indeed, the C64 excelled in spite of Commodore. The users and developers made the C64 one of the greatest computers of its time.

I never knew that, because I checked VICE once and it's pretty crap compared to CCS64. CCS64 does everything with better emulation and better functionality (cartridge support, load/save states, machinecode monitor, etc).

Its been a long time since I played with this stuff and Vice was the best for me at the time as I only used it to play some games for nostalgia.
I have downloaded CCS64 and now I have got caught up with more stuff to try out, darn it MachineCode.

electrochrisso wrote:I have downloaded CCS64 and now I have got caught up with more stuff to try out, darn it MachineCode.

Guilty as charged! Next stops for you: http://www.lemon64.com for fantastic info (including interviews with major C64 developers of the 80s), and http://www.c64.com for downloadable disks. You'll really curse me now!