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Kaeru Gaman wrote: In fact, I only FOUND PureBasic because I was explicitely LOOKING for some BASIC dialect.

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rsts wrote:

Kaeru Gaman wrote: In fact, I only FOUND PureBasic because I was explicitely LOOKING for some BASIC dialect.

+1

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Yeah, I share that opinion too!

Errr...., I mean ..., +1!!

c4s wrote:But that means that there is a real requirement for a change...(yeah Obama )
When every 3-5 month a new request for related stuff is posted it can't be
ignored all the time.

Yes we can. (where did i hear that one before? )

Its a basic language. We won't pretend its not and call it something stupid like "Aurora" just for your self esteem.

btw, if a C programmer mocks a basic programmer its usually a problem of his self esteem, not the other way around.
(though i tend to mock Java programmers too because they cannot deal with pointers )

I personally don't give two piles of dung what anyone thinks of what programming languages I use. Then again, I'm not out to impress anyone, or looking for some job that wants C or Java. I'm into it for the fun of it. So sorry, but I'm fine with it being called "PureBASIC" and not "PureTOOEMBARASSEDTOCALLMYSELFABASICEVENTHOUGHIAMABASIC"

If you wanna impress people, do one or both of the following:

Learn C, C++, C#, Java, or whatever the latest flavor of week is for so called superior programming language of the week is and brag about it while never actually producing anything viable or working...

or

Build whatever it is you want in PureBASIC and tell them or don't tell them that you used a basic.

Seriously though, if you're playing the job market, then you'd better get to work learning something other than PureBASIC. Yes, Visual Basic gets it's licks in, but only because it's from MS and was stuffed down the throats of the corporate world, not because it was the most wonderful thing to spit all over your harddrive. So learn whatever language is the buzz word of the week, get your certs for it, get a job, and stop tryin to change PureBASIC to meet your needs for your Resume

I'm not trying to change PureBasic to match my resume. That was merely an example.

freak wrote:(though i tend to mock Java programmers too because they cannot deal with pointers )

+1

not just pointers, they can't manage memory and their apps take up a gig of ram to write a calc application. :roll: jboss and other rubbish! first thing they do is come over to us infrastructure server admins and ask questions like

"I think the server is down, my java app can't connect"
"Really, how are you connecting?"
"Um, I'm just using this network module, I'm not really sure but it's definately not the problem"
"<sigh> is it TCP, do you know the port? can you telnet to it?"
"??? it should just connect! "
"What should the server be listening on?"
"Um, It's a jboss app on the server"
" "

I go look at the server, it's a monster, 64gb of ram, 16cpu cores, windows 2003 enterprise, 1TB of SAN backend and then I look at the service listing and see there's about 30 wrapper.exe created services running jboss instances, each on between 500mb to a gig of ram This server is locked up from all these java apps trying to steal resources from eachother and the eventlog is full of pooled page byte runouts

But sure, go put Java on your resume! I have just loads of respect for the java programmers at our company!! Compared to them, the VB apps that other teams use look like lean, mean number crunching machines!

The Java guys are just one step up from the excel-macro-app-server folks


I code in basic! I don't have a problem with that

pdwyer wrote:... This server is locked up from all these java apps trying to steal resources from eachother and the eventlog is full of pooled page byte runouts ...

yeah!


"If COBOL programmers were building cars, they built 1000-wheeled-transport-modules and forbid walking."

... I wonder what it would be for JAVA...

Kaeru Gaman wrote: ... I wonder what it would be for JAVA...

That depends on if there was another lawsuit between MS and Sun.

It's impossible to teach programming languages to students that have been infected with BASIC before

I wouldn't say it's impossible to teach programming languages to people who have been infected by BASIC but i would say it's very hard teaching programming concepts to people who have been infected with basic. Even VB.NET seems to infect people with this strange malady.

I have known very many basic users that cannot grasp OOP no matter how hard they try, so something like design patterns are a complete no go.

I have nothing against any basic dialect, you choose the right tool for the job, but i wish some people would just expand their wings a little more past basic. I think they would have fun.

btw, if a C programmer mocks a basic programmer its usually a problem of his self esteem, not the other way around.

It is a well known fact that C programmers measure the length of their willies in MM...

Gives a whole new meaning to "short end of the stick!"

I am putting a Powered by PureBasic logo in every game I write from now on!

And will do same for Application as soon as the deal with the POS manufacturer goes through! (moment to brag: A new POS manufacturer wants to use MY software to demo their product at all trade shows!)

{{EDIT}} You knwo it is true... It really doesn't matter what you write in as long as it works well and does not cause other people ulcers and excessive hair loss!

I started in 1968 in BASIC and I am proud of that! I took down one of NASAs servers with BASIC and they couldn't see how a 5 year old kid could have dumped the entire memory to the printer... I am still prud of that.

I was the first to discover the multi-OFF toggle to get around the server security in the DEC systems (especially at NASA) and I am proud of that as well...

I am also proud that my father did not get fired when I did all that!

BASIC was a valid computer language then and now. Not VB.NET... but BASIC.

I thank the universe for Dartmouth College every day!

Rook Zimbabwe wrote:I am putting a Powered by PureBasic logo in every game I write from now on!

I think that will be great! PureBasic needs more exposure in its products.

Hi Mistrel!

I'm just concerned about one thing... If PureBasic makes you get the creeps, why don't you protest against DarkBASIC? Note that they emphasize the word "basic" by writing it in all CAPITALS. Of course we know it's written "BASIC", but doesn't that ring a bell and say "hey wait a minute... DarkSIMPLE?".

Ok, you're right. There's DarkBASIC Professional. Should Frederic name his product PureBASIC Professional? That sounds just not original. Besides, I've learned that "professional" in a product name always equals high price and good functionality, but better and often cheaper software tends to have even better functionality as well. I don't really want to start a DarkBASIC vs PureBasic thread, we all have our opinions and it would be just as useless as a Pure vs Blitz thread (Blitz for the win! ^o^ ok ok jokes aside).

Cheers, Irene.

Well I have just added the image:



and link throughs on my website in many conspicuous places...

Will it make me a PB Expert? Probably not... though I do have 1 successful Application and three games a going now!

@Irene... I loved B3D and hated BlitzMAX... Nope... Blitz no win

I found PB by accident! I was looking for a good BASIC to build my POS application in and a friend suggested POWERbasic (but he couldn't remember the first word... College was hard on him!!!) He rememberd it was PB, so I searched for PB and PureBasic came up first... I tried it and i liked it and that was that!

Once I got used to the format!

Kale wrote:I wouldn't say it's impossible to teach programming languages to people who have been infected by BASIC but i would say it's very hard teaching programming concepts to people who have been infected with basic. Even VB.NET seems to infect people with this strange malady.

I have known very many basic users that cannot grasp OOP no matter how hard they try, so something like design patterns are a complete no go.

I have nothing against any basic dialect, you choose the right tool for the job, but i wish some people would just expand their wings a little more past basic. I think they would have fun.

I have come across more than a few 'c programmers' who couldn't get their heads around oop either so I don't think that 'market' is cornered by the 'Basic' fraternity! As for programming concepts - well which concepts in particular are you thinking of there? I don't particularly think that a 'Basic' programmer need be at a disadvantage simply because they haven't blown a gasket or two trying to contend with multiple-inheritance or multiple indirection through pointers etc. Heck you can do all that stuff in Basic anyhow. Sure the strongly-typed nature of some other languages can be a bit of a shock if moving from some Basics etc, but that is just one small hurdle amongst the many that we face as programmers every day anyhow.

Nah I reckon that learning Basic is as good a place to start as any language. Hecks it's a damn good place to finish as well!