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Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by PB.

I don't mean to sound sour but what is the point of setting up something that duplicates what already exists. Everything you mention either already exists or is being worked on and implemented as we speak. How about making use of what already exists and help it grow?

I agree with you, Paul. All I use is this forum and your Resources site, and it
definitely feels like this other site is just trying to take over. It may not
be, but it feels that way.

I suppose it's good that more PureBasic sites are appearing, but I think it's a
bit rude to come here and pimp the other sites -- it's no better than spam.

PB - Registered PureBasic Coder

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by TronDoc.

How about making use of what already exists and help it grow?

Here, I have to agree. One of the major problems of the
WEB is not a lack of information, it is a lack of CENTRALIZED information.
I can find a web page that explains the effects of a certain chemical
on the human nervous system and surf to the next site which claims
totally different effects. If the TWO got together to COMPARE NOTES... -jb

elecTRONics DOCtor
{registeredPB}

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Franco.

Here, I have to agree. One of the major problems of the WEB is not a lack of information, it is a lack of CENTRALIZED information....

That's it, sometimes you can find a lot of information out there if you know where it is.
Don't wont to check 15 different sites only for PureBasic, and see that the most provided code is the same... as elsewhere.


Maybe it's possible to add a link menu in this forum with a tree section like:

ASM Library
Snippets
App Archive
etc.

and ... different people care for ... different things:


Ups, we have this already....

Now Paul, to fulfill the above thought 100% you have to develop schizophrenia
Or if you need help - say it


OK, now without a joke: the more user are willing to contribute that's great!

But IMHO don't waste your time, put your efforts in additional things.
Don't reinvent the wheel a second time.

But hey, the net is a land of free, you can do whatever you want
Just a thought


Have a nice day...
Franco

Sometimes you have to go a lonely way to accomplish genius things.

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by DarkUni.

I'll continue to develop the site.

If you folks don't find it valuable, cool.

I think another source will prove valuable - sounds like some of you agree. There is no need to get defensive and threatened when a new site pops up. You can never have enough information - especially about a programming language.

Paul is more than welcome to take any snippets and information from the site.

I'm not talking about a static non-dynamic site. I'm talking about a web application dedicated to Pure Basic. I've put HUNDREDS of hours into this programming community site shell I'm using. Its complete database driven.

Again, when its up - you'll either visit or you won't. Sorry everyone feels the way they do.

Shane R. Monroe
Dark Unicorn Productions

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by KidHype.

Hi,

I guess I must be really missing the point here. Shane (DarkUni) and I only want to see this community grow beyond it's wildest dreams. I checked out Pure Basic over a year ago and to be honest with you, it hasn't grown much in a year and that is sad. This is a truly awesome language that wouldn't hurt with a couple of sites dedicated to it.

Has anyone here ever heard of a webring? A webring comes about when a true community of webpages have been created focusing in on one subject. It would be nice to see the same thing happen in the Pure Basic community. Sure, we might duplicate our efforts along the way but when has more not been better?

A perfect example of when a 1 stop page for everything under a particular product has not worked. Anyone ever heard of Visual Pinball? If you have, then everyone who has knows about what happened to hippie.net and the now defunct Shiva Site. This site was dedicated to hosting everything needed to run Visual Pinball and Visual PinMAME. Everything from scripts, roms and tables. Well, some retarded script kiddies decided to launch a week long Denial of Service (aka DoS) attack on the site. Well, they were able to succeed in knocking the site off the face of the planet. But guess what? Everyone had the attitude that we only need one site so now that Shiva's is gone there are ZERO resources for Visual Pinball. No tables, no scripts no roms. If that is your idea of how something should be supported then that is scary in my book. Site's aren't bulletproof and sites don't last forever.

Shouldn't we have a plan B?

Thanks for listening to my rant.

Bryan "KidHype" Smith
DJ, Programmer, Classic Game and Pinball Collector, Now producer of Retrogaming Radio

http://www.kidhype.com
http://www.retrogamingradio.com

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Fangbeast.

As a programmer, hardware mechanic and IT professional, I am normally too busy to talk unless I have something to say but I must address your points in turn.

"Shane (DarkUni) and I only want to see this community grow beyond it's wildest dreams."

Commendable, but did you ask the community what it wanted? Sounds like more than a little self aggrandizement going on here.

"I checked out Pure Basic over a year ago and to be honest with you, it hasn't grown much in a year and that is sad."

Sad for Whom?? Certainly not for those of us learning afresh. I for one am glad that the language is growing with me. Have you ever heard of patience perhaps??

"This is a truly awesome language that wouldn't hurt with a couple of sites dedicated to it."

That's all well and good, but your attitude smacks of bullying tactics. Speak to the community first, don't shove a site at us please.

"Sure, we might duplicate our efforts along the way but when has more not been better?"

Good for organised, experienced coders, absolute hell on beginners who don't know what they are doing.

"Well, some retarded script kiddies decided to launch a week long Denial of Service (aka DoS) attack on the site. Well, they were able to succeed in knocking the site off the face of the planet. But guess what? Everyone had the attitude that we only need one site so now that Shiva's is gone there are ZERO resources for Visual Pinball. No tables, no scripts no roms. If that is your idea of how something should be supported then that is scary in my book. Site's aren't bulletproof and sites don't last forever."

Once again, your commentary and attitude smacks of bullying tactics. Please don't insult the Purbasic programming community's intelligence by talking like this in here.

If more people adopted your attitude, they would also try to bring pressure on PureBasic Inc to output more updates, quite possibly ruining the product and the programmer's (the only one) health.

Make the site, let people know by all means but ASK the community, work with them and please keep such offensive rhetoric from these pages.

Fangles

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

I checked out Pure Basic over a year ago and to be honest with you, it hasn't grown much in a year and that is sad.

Who is this guy?
What does he understand by grown?

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by DarkUni.

Bryan is talking about the community element of PB. Not the quality and advancement of the product itself.

The product itself has grown a lot. And in a grand way. If the product wasn't excellent, we wouldn't be here.

I'm not sure I understand what everyone's hang up here is. I'm amazed to find that people don't want to share anymore. You have a great product yet we'd rather keep it a locked up secret than to actually get some good wide spread exposure and support.

This is what happened to Blitz Basic. That's why I left. I was hoping to find this world a little different, but apparently the PB public wants to keep it small, intimate, and largely unknown. There are basically THREE PB sites out there. How can you POSSIBLY be so eager to crap on another one?

Ask anyone that knows me from the BB scene ... Am I looking for fame? Fortune? Are we the great satan egotists we are being painted here? Of course not.

I didn't walk in here off the streets ... I've built thriving, successful communities. You say "Why don't you ask the community .." - because they largely don't know exactly what they want and need until someone hands it to them. This is what we did with the Blitz Basement.

You call us Bullying Tacticians. How about pointing the finger at yourselves for stereotyping? The site isn't even live yet, and you're all saying "no thank you". This is a bit on the closed-minded side, don't you think?

Let me get this straight. A programming language needs 2 websites to thrive. One that is the sales, info site, and one that is a resource site. There is no room for another? I promise you more functionality than the status quo, I promise to promote your product for free, and I promise to support the community. The hostility here amazes me.

"Once again, your commentary and attitude smacks of bullying tactics. Please don't insult the Purbasic programming community's intelligence by talking like this in here."

This is the most idiotic statement on the topic so far which is in itself contractictory. A smart, caring community doesn't act like this. If you cared and loved PB, you'd want to see it grow.

There seems to be a recent rash of "let's keep the product secret, limit its exposure by keeping every egg in one or two baskets". Blitz Basic doesn't seem to want to make any money. Directory Opus, one of the finest products on the planet for the PC, they take the same approach as you people are; "we don't want none". So the product which should OWN every PC on the planet - they keep their one or two little websites, shun anyone that wants to help out, and the product STAYS a secret. At least FRED seems to be on board with this - and we hope to be able to offer him a lot of administrative tools that will assist him in making the product better for YOU.

Nothing more I like that being accused of being elitist or bullying when I see a thread like this.

Anyway, for anyone who cares, the site is coming along just fine. The Code Exchange is working 100%, the Command Reference database is being populated.

Anyway, I'm through with this topic. If you want to play anymore, let's take it OFFLINE. This sort of thread does NOTHING to help PB - except show people that the community is hostile.

Direct your comments: [url]mailto:webmaster@darkunicornproductions.com[/url]

Shane R. Monroe
Dark Unicorn Productions

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by KidHype.

You know...if i knew i was going to get this much crap from trying to give back to this community, I would have kept quiet

I am not trying to start a flame war here and in fact, this will be my last post. I will mind my own business. I never seen a group of people getting pissed at someone offering help

What is wrong with you people? How is offering help a bully tactic? Good lord, pull your heads out your asses and actually surf the net and realize that its not a one product-one site world. Its actually ok to help others by putting up a resource site. I swear, it is, people have been doing it forever.

I've never met a bunch of closed minded people in my life. Please, don't respond to this...

I am outta here.

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by fred.

Please stop. I don't see why another site talking about PB is wrong. As some users mention, there is dozen and dozen of web site for VisualBasic, PoewrBasic, BlitzBasic etc.. and only 2 for PureBasic. The more the better, let the user choose which site he like. If only one is available, there is no choice. I don't like the way this thread is going on, it's nothing and useless. DarkUni, just do it and we'll see.


Edited by - fred on 01 February 2002 07:28:33

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Danilo.

Well, it looks like some people here dont
understand what the PB-community wants to say.

Its _NOT_ an attack !! (but it looks like)

Its a very simple thing... i´ll try to explain.
Dont take it as an attack.
Its my personal opinion, and i think it is
what many users of this community think too.

Drink a coffey, cool down and read the following
text slowly...


The point is:
If you have 1 Forum and 1 Ressource site for
PureBasic, you see _everything_ what happens
in the community.
Everything. You see every new library, every
code snippet and every addon tool for PB.
Simply everything.

If you know everything... you have control.

If there is another site that has the same
as the current ressource site, its totally
useless (its only a 1:1 copy).
- Yes, the interface of the PB ressource site
- is very simple. Simple and easy like PureBasic.
- Think about the word "PURE"

Dont tell me that every site has the same stuff,
because it is simply not true.
I´ve seen a million internet sites in the last
6+ years, and no site had the same stuff as
another site.

Its the same with BlitzBasic, you know it DarkUni.
There are many sites for BB and if you want to
know everything about BB, if you want to see
every code snippets etc.., you have to check
many sites.

Yes, its the same with all programming languages.
There are 1000´s of sites dedicated to 1 language
and you cant check all sites. It suxx.

Why spending your time searching the web for
new and cool stuff for your prog-language,
if you could use that time for coding ??

The community _wants_ your help, DarkUni / KidHype.
The community said "if you want to help, why
dont you join the existing project (PB ressource site) ??".

We should all go in the same direction.

Nobody can stop you -- you can do what you want.

The users just want to know _everything_
about this nice programming language _without_
spending all time searching many web-sites.
(ATM its 1 site only.... BOING!... and we have
30 sites all with different stuff)

Its all that simple.


@DarkUni / KidHype:
If you read the forum for a while and
talk with the peoples about coding problems,
you can feel the spirit of this community.
Everybody is trying to help and the users
that get answers for a coding problem are
very thankful.
They are happy that they can learn something new.

Its like a little (growing) family...
...its the PureBasic family.

Stay here for a while and you will see
how its goin.
Welcome to the PureBasic community.


Thanks for listening,
...Danilo

(registered PureBasic user)

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by blueb.

PB Community,

Try and think back. How did you first find out about PureBasic?

You probably found out like I did. I ran across it accidently while searching for something else.

I'm glad that I found that site, whatever it was called.

I agree with Fred, the more the merrier. Let the users decide. That's the free market system and it works.

Regards,
--Bob

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by ricardo.

Please stop. I don't see why another site talking about PB is wrong...

Fred
Read carefully all the posts of this guys and the ego and bad attitude and you will understand what is going on here !!!
Its not one site... its that we don't need mercy of our saviors for being such bad community, acording to their diagnosis!!!

...but apparently the PB public wants to keep it small, intimate, and largely unknown.

So... all we are gray and small people and need that you comes to stop being small and largely unknow?
Did we need to be 'shame' for be a 'be community that dosen't grow in a year' according to your friend?
Are both of you our saviors?

Iv never receive such kind of insulting 'diagnostic' and i dont accept it from you.

Cmon, get out of my way and go to your largely unknown BlitzBasic!!

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by Kanati.

I like Shane... But my only reservation is this.

That he'll create a serious kick-ass site (he has a way of doing that) and in
six months he'll get tired of it, or the people on it and walk away from it
(he has a way of doing that too... blitz... emulation... etc).

If a site is mediocre and pops up and disappears in six months it's not a big
loss... but a MAJOR site that becomes the hub of activity for a product (as
shane is capable of producing) or theme that disappears whilst it is huge can
have a major negative impact on the community. Personally I think the blitz
community is just NOW starting to come out of the hole that the basement left
behind when Shane pulled the plug.

Kanati

Restored from previous forum. Originally posted by redacid.

Now I have to ask: "What *is* the community?"

If the community doesn`t want a new site, then I don´t belong to the community!

NOBODY knows what "the community" wants or not! EVERYBODY has different opinions of what he needs.

And I prefer, if I have a larger selection of sources of information!

Just do it!

regards,
Redacid
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Only Amiga makes it possible!