The best programming language for kids and beginners

byo · Post by **byo** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:28 pm

Marco2007 wrote:- About 800 Lines should be enough for beginners. If someone needs more....what should I say: Good stuff isn`t always for free.

I agree with that. Purebasic is one the easiest and most powerful languages one will ever find. 800 lines of code is enough for beginners. I have some tools that use less than that.

Now that sad smiley after the "it's not free" part is something ridiculous IMHO. Purebasic's price is BELOW the average price of student's version of some standard programming languages.

Every school knows exactly what programming language to use based on the money/easy of use/application. Unless they don't have a serious staff.

Just my two cents.

thanos · Post by **thanos** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:07 pm

byo wrote:
Marco2007 wrote:- About 800 Lines should be enough for beginners. If someone needs more....what should I say: Good stuff isn`t always for free.
I agree with that. Purebasic is one the easiest and most powerful languages one will ever find. 800 lines of code is enough for beginners. I have some tools that use less than that.

Now that sad smiley after the "it's not free" part is something ridiculous IMHO. Purebasic's price is BELOW the average price of student's version of some standard programming languages.

Every school knows exactly what programming language to use based on the money/easy of use/application. Unless they don't have a serious staff.

Just my two cents.

Your message is right but did you read the subject of the topic?
Who was talking about the price of Purebasic? Is it the point?
To my opinion the price of Purebasic is really low and below the competition! And beyond that, this language is my favorite.
But this is not the point.
I described some characteristics which are important to my opinion. I repeat to my opinion not yours.
I opened the subject because i need advice and information not critique.
You had stamp my sad smiley (which i paint it for fun) as "something ridiculous".
Do you know the individuality of Greek education market?
Do you know why i am so price sensitive?
And as i said before the phrase "Good stuff isn`t always for free" is an unanswerable philosophical dilemma.
Thanks for your post. It was very helpful.
Regards.

Thanos

aaron · Post by **aaron** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:40 am

Well, I think that Purebasic is as close as you are going to get to your list of requirements and I fail to see the problem with the demo.

Regardless, take a look at 'Processing' (http://processing.org/). Its built on top of Java but the syntax is pretty easy. The good thing is that it is really fast for beginners to get up and running and see some results. I'm not too sure about the GUI side of things though, you'll have to judge that for yourself.

byo · Post by **byo** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:13 am

I live in Brazil. You live in Greece.
If you want an agreement between Purebasic and a school, contact Fred or freak directly. And yeah, the smiley was irritating because of things I've explained in my last post. Specially with bold letters before it. If price is the question, use Java, Free Pascal, DevC++, etc. You ask for the best free programming language in a Purebasic forum, enumerate Purebasic as one of them in the list knowing that Purebasic isn't free.

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:43 am

Seeing as you've written PB off as it's not free, why post in this section? off topic would probably be more appropriate for this forum.

There are free basics out there, try them.

thanos · Post by **thanos** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:30 am

@aaron
Thank you for your suggestion.

@byo

byo wrote:I live in Brazil. You live in Greece.
If you want an agreement between Purebasic and a school, contact Fred or freak directly.

Did i mention the "school" word in any of my posts? Did you read the question before you answer?

@pdwyer

pdwyer wrote:Seeing as you've written PB off as it's not free, why post in this section? off topic would probably be more appropriate for this forum.
There are free basics out there, try them.

Did i write in any of my posts that Purebasic is off?

Thank you for the posts.
I decided and i will use the Purebasic demo with Marco2007's suggestions, AutoItX3 and probably the Processing.
Regards.

Thanos

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:52 am

Just my interpretation from the sad face in the first post.

Seldon · Post by **Seldon** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:30 am

Hello,
if you want to learn procedural programming in all its aspects, then Pascal is the best language. If you want to teach how to create real programs, then PureBasic (or similar compilers that do things for you behind the scenes) is a good choice. But you should target your book to people who have a minimal programming language knowledge.

thanos · Post by **thanos** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:50 pm

Seldon wrote:Hello,
if you want to learn procedural programming in all its aspects, then Pascal is the best language. If you want to teach how to create real programs, then PureBasic (or similar compilers that do things for you behind the scenes) is a good choice. But you should target your book to people who have a minimal programming language knowledge.

Thanks for the post.
You are right and you get into the point!
This is precisely my reflection. I want to teach my future audience how to create real programs with a non OOP language. But, i do not want to require for the reading public any experience in any programming language. If they have is okay but it will not be required.
I want the book will be addressed to kids and starters of any age that simply know how to use a computer.
Regards.

Thanos

Marco2007 · Post by **Marco2007** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:59 pm

thanos wrote:I decided and i will use the Purebasic demo with Marco2007's suggestions

It was Kaeru´s suggestion.

Kaeru Gaman · Post by **Kaeru Gaman** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:03 pm

but you enlarged it:

Marco2007 wrote:PB-Demo:
- No Api -> No problem > most of the best Apis are included in Userlibs (e.g. Gnozal, Droopy, ...)
- About 800 Lines should be enough for beginners. If someone needs more....what should I say: Good stuff isn`t always for free.

e.g Look at Freak`s Tetris: http://freak.purearea.net/tools/Tetris.zip
700 lines with comments. I guess: About 400 without comments.

thanos · Post by **thanos** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:26 pm

@Kaeru
Thank you for the initial suggestion.

@Marco2007
Thank you for the extensions.

Kaeru Gaman · Post by **Kaeru Gaman** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:31 pm

Thank you for taking our suggestions and for thanking us.

byo · Post by **byo** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:20 pm

You mentioned an academic version of Purebasic, so that's why I used 'school'. There's nothing wrong in asking for people's opinions on a public forum but read your first post again and you'll see that that sad smiley is something not polite if you know the answer before asking the question.

My advice again would be contacting Fred directly. And stop whining that Purebasic isn't free. It's almost free.

Take care. Kind regards,

byo

thanos · Post by **thanos** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:13 pm

byo wrote:You mentioned an academic version of Purebasic, so that's why I used 'school'. There's nothing wrong in asking for people's opinions on a public forum but read your first post again and you'll see that that sad smiley is something not polite if you know the answer before asking the question.
byo

Thank you for the post.
Honestly, i don't want to be rude in any situation in my life. Especially across the creators of this excellent language.
Probably a misunderstanding was happened.
Regards.

Thanos