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maw wrote:Where did I say the number of replies in any way reflected on the support of PB in any way? Monetary or otherwise?

:roll:

Humour? It can't be that bad lad, you just made me laugh out loud.

so you were dissapointed at the lack of responses but not because you felt it indicated a lack of donations?

Perhaps people did all the discussing last time this thread happened...

maw wrote:This thread is only intented to shame long time users with extra cach on their hands into donating a little, or more

There is no obligation for ANYONE to pay one single cent more than their original license fee. This sort of thread, and comment above, is nothing more than trumpet-blowing and self back-patting. What right have you got to shame users like myself who don't wish to donate? Mind your own business.

UserOfPure wrote:There is no obligation for ANYONE to pay one single cent more than their original license fee.

No there isn't.

But before you put down these threads, consider that hosting the PureBasic web site and these forums isn't free. And while you're at it consider all the work Fred and the team put into each update. PureBasic's success depends on continued development and without voluntary donations from it's users as a compensation and thank you for all the hard work, there'd be a lot less incentive to update it as often as they do. And consider the benefits you get from PureBasic and it's updates, isn't that worth something to you?

Seeing as you appear to be new to PureBasic maybe your remarks can be foregiven, but I suspect that once you really get into PureBasic and see how good a development language it is and how much work Fred and the team put into it, your attitude about sending a small donation for each update will change unless you're one of those people who are so tight and cheap that you squeak when you walk.

UserOfPure wrote:This sort of thread, and comment above, is nothing more than trumpet-blowing and self back-patting.

So says you, I think it's an attempt to get users to show their thanks to Fred and the team and to show support for further development of PureBasic.

UserOfPure wrote:What right have you got to shame users like myself who don't wish to donate?

The right of every PureBasic user/fan to help promote PureBasic and it's continued development if they want to.

UserOfPure wrote:Mind your own business.

And you mind yours, if you aren't inclined to donate, that's your choice. But the least you could have done is ignore this thread and not posted your rather offensive message.

I saw your remark about blowing something else that you wisely edited out, had this been my forum that kind of remark and personal attack would have gotten you instantly and permanently banned.

<Paul dives under the table>

"It's happening again, quick, kill the power to this thread!!"

Tipperton wrote:one of those people who are so tight and cheap that you squeak when you walk.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

So says you, I think it's an attempt to get users to show their thanks to Fred and the team and to show support for further development of PureBasic.

Thank you!! That's exactly what I was trying to do! I wonder why some people go out of their way to read negative meaning into things? Right... You just said why above

Unfortunately I have to agree with pdwyer, this thread should be closed. How sad really..

Tipperton wrote:I saw your remark about blowing something else that you wisely edited out, had this been my forum that kind of remark and personal attack would have gotten you instantly and permanently banned.

And yet you personally attack me by stating I have a tight asshole:

Tipperton wrote:you're one of those people who are so tight and cheap that you squeak when you walk.

Wow, talk about hyprocrisy! :roll:

UserOfPure wrote:And to maw: Good on you buddy for donating. You're my hero now. Need another pat on the back? (And no, I haven't read your PM as I'm not interested).

Has your life really been so horribly sad that you can't imagine somebody doing something nice for someone else without an ulterior motive? I have no need or interest in your patting (unless we are talking some serious patting here ) or hero worship, all I want is your money in Fred's bank account!!

As for my PM, I just said 4 words: "If the shoe fits..". There, now you don't have to read it!

Tipperton wrote:Seeing as you appear to be new to PureBasic maybe your remarks can be foregiven, but I suspect that once you really get into PureBasic and see how good a development language it is and how much work Fred and the team put into it, your attitude about sending a small donation for each update will change unless you're one of those people who are so tight and cheap that you squeak when you walk.

But what of those who simply cannot afford to donate - or is there no distinction between these people and the tight-fisted? Should they be denied access to the updates when there is no policy of charging for updates? PB comes with a 'free updates for life' licence, and whilst I may not necessarily agree with this kind of license, it is a fact nevertheless that some people will have purchased the product on that basis and whilst this licence remains, no one should be expected or indeed pressurised into making donations as that is contary to the terms of the licence. If memory serves me correctly, then Fred only created his Paypal donate button in response to repeated requests to do so.

I know of at least one person who will not update because he cannot afford to make a donation as yet, and as honorable as that sounds, that is his choice. My argument to that person is that he has as much right to the updates as do those who can afford to donate etc. Still, he won't listen! :roll:

Suggesting that those who are able make some kind of donation is one thing, placing them under pressure to do so is another thing entirely, and, as non-intentional as I am sure this is, threads like this serve to put pressure upon those who are unable to donate and even those who do donate but prefer to keep such things private.

Still. as Paul has indicated, this topic has been done to death! I say again, no offence is intended. Perhaps I should put that in uppercase this time though!

I'm guessing Srod total'd another car today! Sunday Drivers R Us

pdwyer wrote:I'm guessing Srod total'd another car today! Sunday Drivers R Us

Not this time no. Nearly wrapped my bike around a lamppost, but that was my own fault. Not that I could ever blame the lamppost though!

For the (post)count i hereby declare myself completely neutral in this matter

damn its hot. We haven't had rain in over a month, the grass is freakin' yellow! We even got watering restrictions which we plan to break anyway since all the others a holding it hehe

UserOfPure wrote:Of course not.

I'm glad to hear it!

But why come here and try to shame others (your words!) into doing the same? As srod said, others may not be able to afford it. I can't.

You didn't notice the double smileys on the end of that? And the fact that I said it wasn't meant for people who simply can't afford it? Or did you just choose to ignore that so you could put me down?

I'm poor; there, I said it.

So what? I was so poor I lived on social wellfare for several years in the beginning of the 90th's.. But I didn't go around putting people down because of that. You need to get over yourself.

I ashamed of THAT.

You shouldn't be. Unless you purposely made yourself poor? We all have up's and down's in our life, that's the way things are.

Your post ridicules my financial position by saying I should be ashamed of myself for not donating, and I find that offensive. See?

The fact that you ignore most of what I wrote and concentrated on the shame part is your own doing. I cannot help you there. Why on earth would I want to go around shaming people for something they cannot afford? That's ridiculous!

And BTW, I don't know what you mean by "if the shoe fits".

It means that if the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, don't. In this case you obviously shouldn't wear it (being shamed that is).

edit: Deleted donation text.

If I hadn't post anything and donated my money in silence, all these discussions would not have occured...

srod wrote:But what of those who simply cannot afford to donate - or is there no distinction between these people and the tight-fisted? Should they be denied access to the updates when there is no policy of charging for updates? PB comes with a 'free updates for life' licence, and whilst I may not necessarily agree with this kind of license, it is a fact nevertheless that some people will have purchased the product on that basis and whilst this licence remains, no one should be expected or indeed pressurised into making donations as that is contary to the terms of the licence. If memory serves me correctly, then Fred only created his Paypal donate button in response to repeated requests to do so.

Ofcourse there is a distinction, why are you trying to twist his words? If you can't afford it, you can't, simple as that. If you chose not to donate because the license says you get free updates, then that's fine. Who has said anything else?

I know of at least one person who will not update because he cannot afford to make a donation as yet, and as honorable as that sounds, that is his choice. My argument to that person is that he has as much right to the updates as do those who can afford to donate etc. Still, he won't listen! :roll:

That's his choice! I don't agree with it, but it is his choice to make! What's that got to do with this?

Suggesting that those who are able make some kind of donation is one thing, placing them under pressure to do so is another thing entirely, and, as non-intentional as I am sure this is, threads like this serve to put pressure upon those who are unable to donate and even those who do donate but prefer to keep such things private.

Oh, please!! There is no pressure!! What's wrong with people? If you can't handle what's written in this thread, atleast the beginning of it, then you seriously need help! I mean, come on..