Too happy., I can directly access the community!

Irene · Post by **Irene** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:29 pm

DoubleDutch wrote:China has it's own PureBasic forum:

http://forum.purebasic.cn/index.php

Yeah I found that forum too while researching stuff about MysticBoy.. ^_^;;

DoubleDutch · Post by **DoubleDutch** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:40 pm

I had a quick look at it, it looks legit - I don't think it's a site to spread warez, etc.

Irene · Post by **Irene** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:41 pm

DoubleDutch wrote:I had a quick look at it, it looks legit - I don't think it's a site to spread warez, etc.

But how do you know its users use legal PureBasic copies? That's the problem..

DoubleDutch · Post by **DoubleDutch** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:51 pm

I think that problem will be on this forum too. Hopefully people who are serious about using it also buy it.

Dare · Post by **Dare** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:24 pm

DoubleDutch wrote:I think that problem will be on this forum too. Hopefully people who are serious about using it also buy it.

Yep. I am sure some of us recall one or two people here who admitted they had just bought a licence and had been using a pirated version previously. Those peeps were (and still are) contributors and were (and are) respected for their code and contributions.

Tipperton · Post by **Tipperton** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:03 am

pdwyer wrote:China is in the news a lot here as Japan is often the target of cheep fake goods.

They are in the news a lot here in the US too, though for a slightly different reason...

Lots of toy recalls because they used lead based paint on them and also lots of recalls of tainted food, all from China.

People here are starting to avoid products made in China because of it.

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:53 am

Yeah, I head about a few dogs and cats dying, and something about toothpaste problems.

I got the feeling the US was more effected from the corporate side, having their products ripped off. In Jp, its more the consumers that end up with fake versions.

On the flip side, if some girl wants to pay US$2000 for a handbag and can't tell the difference between any quality that the brand is supposed to have and the fake that they bought then I won't be shedding too many tears for them

While Japan might be very unpopular in China since the war, China has just very recently (18months) has become a bit of a bad guy here. Not so much the people, just a feeling of lack of quality and anything goes for a buck. Lots of people are staying away from food products (in supermarkets, not resturants) from china due to all the deceptions on quality etc. It's not a political thing or even the military buildups or freedom of speach issues as far as the japanese are concerned it's product and the business ethics

I think China will lose out in the end if they aren't careful. Cheep fakes and shoddy quality might make lots of cash in the short term but it'll come back and burn them if everyone avoids there products like the plague. The people and companies over there trying to do the right thing will be branded with the same label and suffer

PB · Post by PB » Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:55 am

> I think China will lose out in the end if they aren't careful. Cheep fakes and
> shoddy quality might make lots of cash in the short term but it'll come back
> and burn them if everyone avoids there products like the plague

It's already started here in Australia with regard to children's toys. It's been
discovered that a lot of Chinese-made toys have lead in the paint, and there
have been massive recalls in place for the last few months. People are avoiding
Chinese-made toys in droves now.

Brice Manuel · Post by **Brice Manuel** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:18 am

Not just toys, besides the pet food, pet toys are being recalled, children's clothing is being recalled due to formaldahyde (sp?).

Dare · Post by **Dare** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:14 am

The problem in China is opportunism and a dynamite economic growth without regulatory bodies in place (or keeping up).

There was an article published in the paper here where Mattel apologised and said they had given the "wrong specs" (re paint) to their Chinese plant. A cynic might be excused for thinking this was Mattel attempting to further cut costs and getting caught.

This sort of thing happens everywhere in the world when a manufacturer thinks it can get away with it. (and yes, even in the US and Australia, these two self-proclaimed paragons of virtue.

) Also many of these manufacturers are not Chinese, they just use Chinese based plants and facilities. Methinks they have a moral obligation to police their own back yards.

China has come a long way -v- the days when it exported things like hand-rolled toilet paper. Container loads of those arrived in Brisbane some years back. Caused a stink.

So China is moving on. Mind you it still has a long way to go.

One day it will be just dealing with plain old unethical practices like the rest of the world.

MysticBoy · Post by **MysticBoy** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:35 am

There is one thing China will not do, and that is their own mistakes led to the design of other people's problems to shirk on!

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:09 am

About 10-12 years ago I was studying mandarin in Sydney (forgot a lot of it) and my teacher (aussie-chinese) let me sit in on this business deal at a hotel that he was making introductions for (so I could learn a little more language). It was a very scary meeting.

The Aussie as a zero-scuples rich kid wanting to make a business buck and the chinese guy was a big politician from a very small chinese town. (a no-one on their national scale though). The Aussie wanted to send aussie wool to china to use their factories to make garments and sell them back to australia. The poli wanted the business and the kickbacks for his village. The aussie didn't want to do in Australia as the govt was strict on the wool dying pollutants but the chinese politician said that since he was the govt there they could look the other way and use the local river! I couldn't beleive what I was hearing!. Very educational.

In several companies I worked with in the telecoms industry they all had these weird opportunities to partner with "china telecom". Every gets exceited about it (happened at three different companies I worked at). In two cases we turned out to be working with bogus front companies set up by the chinese military. The military there have unlimited access to the telecoms network of the govt run "china telecom" and crocked generals start up fake front companies and sell bandwidth out the back door secretly.

It's all about money. Even the IT people I worked with would have given up their IT jobs in a second if they had chance at being on the business side and a chance at becomming a tycoon like the ones they idolize.

I'm wondering how the beijing olympics go,

can you imagine all the fake tickets and scalpers and what not

. I'm sure there's going to be some great profiteering stories come out (at a lot of peoples expense of course).

Fluid Byte · Post by **Fluid Byte** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:14 am

MysticBoy wrote:There is one thing China will not do, and that is their own mistakes led to the design of other people's problems to shirk on!

Mumbo-jumbo?

pdwyer · Post by **pdwyer** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:34 am

probably a web translation. They tend to create sentences like that.

People who use big words tend to know how gramma works, auto translations don't.

Tipperton · Post by **Tipperton** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:50 pm

pdwyer wrote:Yeah, I head about a few dogs and cats dying, and something about toothpaste problems.

There were some pet food recalls but if I recall correctly those were products imported from Canada, not China. But there were several human food recalls of products imported from China because of contamination problems though these were over shadowed by all the toy recalls, due to the size of the toy recalls, that was by far the bigger story.

pdwyer wrote:I got the feeling the US was more effected from the corporate side, having their products ripped off. In Jp, its more the consumers that end up with fake versions.

True, in the US consumers usually will get their money back on recalled products they return. But that hurts China even more, the corporation inport large quantities of products and if they get stung with several recalls, they are very likely to cut their losses by finding an alternate source for their products that won't include China.

pdwyer wrote:I think China will lose out in the end if they aren't careful. Cheep fakes and shoddy quality might make lots of cash in the short term but it'll come back and burn them if everyone avoids there products like the plague.

Agreed, this was one of my thoughts when the recalls began, that if China doesn't bring this problem under control, they will soon find that nobody wants their products.

PB wrote:It's already started here in Australia with regard to children's toys. It's been discovered that a lot of Chinese-made toys have lead in the paint, and there have been massive recalls in place for the last few months. People are avoiding Chinese-made toys in droves now.

Same here, during the last recall the news interviewed quite a few shoppers and the general consensous was to not buy the exact toy their child wanted because it came from China and instead buy something else that is not from China. Most people say that disapointing their child (which is only temporary) is preferable to risking something like lead poisoning (which is permanent).