I can't stand LOOONG languages like that. That's probably why I love purebasic, the syntax is short and to the point.dracflamloc wrote:Its true, they fix a few bugs and do releases for free. However, they also fix bugs for a new version and add a couple new features then charge you for it and don't release the bugfixes for the older version.Hurga wrote:Hm, AFAIK thats not true. The Updates are free (at least for DBP).They charge you to get upgrades... for simple bugfixes! Screw them.
For the rest I agree with you. I started with DBP when they released it. After some years of patience I decided to look for an other language to code... and I choose PB.
It seems to me that they focus on special effects but forget the basics like structures and so on... On the other hand I have to confess, that the 3D engine is quite simple and offers nice effects with less efford. But with 2D its cruel slow and with a larger project I loose the overview over the code, and with the bugs, I quit it...
Not too mention any large code is just ugly as hell with their commands being almost complete sentences like "Make object rotate set angle 55 And do it with a bag of chips"
PureBasic and Dark Basic Pro
Since when? I've never had to pay for an update, Realbasic on the other had has something like 6-12 months of free updates before you have to pay again.dracflamloc wrote:Its true, they fix a few bugs and do releases for free. However, they also fix bugs for a new version and add a couple new features then charge you for it and don't release the bugfixes for the older version.
I've never had to pay for any DarkBasic updates either...venom wrote:Since when? I've never had to pay for an update, Realbasic on the other had has something like 6-12 months of free updates before you have to pay again.dracflamloc wrote:Its true, they fix a few bugs and do releases for free. However, they also fix bugs for a new version and add a couple new features then charge you for it and don't release the bugfixes for the older version.
With RealBasic your initial purchase gets you six months of updates, after that you have to pay for an additional 12 months of updates...
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Brice Manuel
PureBasic is a VERY wordy language. Many of the commands are laughable in their length.I can't stand LOOONG languages like that. That's probably why I love purebasic, the syntax is short and to the point.
I bought Dark BASIC when DBS (DarkBASIC Software) first released it: 1.0, original CD release. The CD label was printed on an inkjet and was literally packaged and shipped by the Bamber Brothers' (Lee, Malcolm and Chris) Mother.Since when? I've never had to pay for an update,
Eventually DB users were promised features like network support and others would be implemented for free during the regular update cycle which was then once a month. However, after Rick Vanner joined DBS and took charge of the business end, many of the promised updates were not released for free, but instead released for $$ in the enhancement pack. No biggie to me, as with the exception of DLL capabilities, I really wasn't interested in those features anyway. However, this is what most people refer to when they say DB charges for updates.
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Brice Manuel
I was mainly referring to 2d commands like: DisplayTranslucideSprite, DisplayTransparentSprite, TransparentSpriteColor. Three-word commands are definitely overdoing it, but it could also be much, much worseKale wrote:Compared to many others PureBasic has a nice balance between brevity and description.
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Brice Manuel
DBPro does have some weird syntax, but really it's designed as a game creation language, and is capable of a lot. Compared to PB's 3D engine it's head and shoulders above that.
I mean, to make a cube, texture it, and have it rotate on screen:
Wordier than most languages, but it's really easy to learn and use, the entire point of Basic I think. If anyone wants to post the code to do the same in PB, then we could compare - I'm a noob with PB so I've no idea how you'd do that easily.
They (thegamecreators) don't charge for upgrades, they do charge for things like DarkPhysics, which is an amazing plugin that gives Ageia physics in DBPro, but there's free alternatives to most things, there's a Newton plugin for example. DBClassic did get an expansion pack, but that expansion pack cost about $20 and came with a shedload of good media and a lot of internal stuff for more advanced users. The media alone was worth the money. It's not like they add a little feature then expect you to pay for it, they put in a lot of work and then charge around $20 for a plugin that saves hours of coding.
I've been a user of DBPro for years, made about 8 or 9 games with it, compared to PB and VB for writing games it trounces them completely.
I mean, to make a cube, texture it, and have it rotate on screen:
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Sync on : Sync rate 0
Make Object cube 1,1
Load image "tex.png",1
Texture object 1,1
Do
Turn object left 1,1.0
Roll object right 1,1.0
Sync
Loop
They (thegamecreators) don't charge for upgrades, they do charge for things like DarkPhysics, which is an amazing plugin that gives Ageia physics in DBPro, but there's free alternatives to most things, there's a Newton plugin for example. DBClassic did get an expansion pack, but that expansion pack cost about $20 and came with a shedload of good media and a lot of internal stuff for more advanced users. The media alone was worth the money. It's not like they add a little feature then expect you to pay for it, they put in a lot of work and then charge around $20 for a plugin that saves hours of coding.
I've been a user of DBPro for years, made about 8 or 9 games with it, compared to PB and VB for writing games it trounces them completely.
Really they are nothing compared to other languages.Brice Manuel wrote:I was mainly referring to 2d commands like: DisplayTranslucideSprite, DisplayTransparentSprite, TransparentSpriteColor. Three-word commands are definitely overdoing it, but it could also be much, much worseKale wrote:Compared to many others PureBasic has a nice balance between brevity and description.
--Kale
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Brice Manuel
Hi all,
You've seem to have all forgotten the original message subject
Some of you have seen my PurePLUGIN FrameWORK @ TheGameCreators shop.... and, you'd like to know what it is ?
It need PureBASIC and it seem to allow the creation of DarkBASIC Professional plugin ... but you'd like to know more... True ?
Ok.
I will explain then
PurePLUGIN is born from the work I made with my first DarkBASIC Profesisonal plugin called 'eXtends'. To create that plugin, I did need to find a way to call the DarkBASIC Professional language commands from within my plugin DLL... At the beginning there was a list of Library open, with call every where I did need it ... It wasn't really fast and, did make my code more complex in PureBASIC DLL ...
So, I decided to find a better, more flexible and expandable solution.
It's where the PurePLUGIN embryo born ...
As you imagined, PurePLUGIN is a DarkBASIC Professional plugin creation Framework using PureBASIC ... But you can say me : "it exist many users that did produce help on how to create DarkBASIC Professional TPC Plugin using C, C++, VB, etc ... and for free !!! so, why do you sell PurePLUGIN ?"
And you're right ! but PurePLUGIN is really more complex and powerful than these free works.
I did found a way to create a wrapping system that allow to use near to 99% of all native DarkBASIC Professional commands directly inside your PureBASIC DLL... and now you can say "wow! it's impressive" ... And I think (without being too pretentious), that it's true.
My system actually handle near to 99% of all native DarkBASIC Professional commands easily. All you have to do is to make a copy of the sample DLL to create your own one. Put your USER/PASS in it (in a crypted form to avoid hack). Create your ProcedureCDLL and use text edit to create your resource (it's the way DarkBASIC Professional handle TPC. I will not explain it entirely here ... too long).
In fact, the main interest is that you can easily migrate your source code from DarkBASIC Professional to PureBASIC to make it become entirely integrated in DarkBASIC Professional.
For example, something like this under DarkBASIC Professional :
Will simply become this under PurePLUGIN :
It's easy as this !!!
More to this, I can easily (using internal tools I keep secret :p) add support for various plugins already available for DarkBASIC Professional. The potential is ... simply .... enormous.
You want to create a command to return for example the sign of a value ?
DarkBASIC Professional source code :
PureBASIC / PurePLUGIN Source code in the DLL :
And the string table to create the DarkBASIC Professional command:
With this, you create the DarkBASIC Professional command :
VALUESIGN = Sign( VALUE )
So easy :p
the benefits are also enormous :p
1. Up to 10% speed increase for some programs
2. Keep your procedure secret when you release your DLL (instead of releasing DarkBASIC Professional source code)
3. Make DarkBASIC Professional become more powerful and support more thing easily.
Here is what PurePLUGIN is and why it is a commercial product
For a final note, I did never talked about PurePLUGIN here because I didn't think it can interest you all that seem to think that DarkBASIC Professional is so bad... Simply take a look at some projects at TheGameCreators, you'll see that DarkBASIC Professional can be really interesting, even for big projects.
I really love PureBASIC for its capabilities (and more precisely DLL creation :p) and I really love DarkBASIC Professional for its simplicity and capabilities
I hope, I've enlightened your lanterns
Bye
Fred
Odyssey-Creators
http://www.odyssey-creators.com
You've seem to have all forgotten the original message subject
Some of you have seen my PurePLUGIN FrameWORK @ TheGameCreators shop.... and, you'd like to know what it is ?
It need PureBASIC and it seem to allow the creation of DarkBASIC Professional plugin ... but you'd like to know more... True ?
Ok.
I will explain then
PurePLUGIN is born from the work I made with my first DarkBASIC Profesisonal plugin called 'eXtends'. To create that plugin, I did need to find a way to call the DarkBASIC Professional language commands from within my plugin DLL... At the beginning there was a list of Library open, with call every where I did need it ... It wasn't really fast and, did make my code more complex in PureBASIC DLL ...
So, I decided to find a better, more flexible and expandable solution.
It's where the PurePLUGIN embryo born ...
As you imagined, PurePLUGIN is a DarkBASIC Professional plugin creation Framework using PureBASIC ... But you can say me : "it exist many users that did produce help on how to create DarkBASIC Professional TPC Plugin using C, C++, VB, etc ... and for free !!! so, why do you sell PurePLUGIN ?"
And you're right ! but PurePLUGIN is really more complex and powerful than these free works.
I did found a way to create a wrapping system that allow to use near to 99% of all native DarkBASIC Professional commands directly inside your PureBASIC DLL... and now you can say "wow! it's impressive" ... And I think (without being too pretentious), that it's true.
My system actually handle near to 99% of all native DarkBASIC Professional commands easily. All you have to do is to make a copy of the sample DLL to create your own one. Put your USER/PASS in it (in a crypted form to avoid hack). Create your ProcedureCDLL and use text edit to create your resource (it's the way DarkBASIC Professional handle TPC. I will not explain it entirely here ... too long).
In fact, the main interest is that you can easily migrate your source code from DarkBASIC Professional to PureBASIC to make it become entirely integrated in DarkBASIC Professional.
For example, something like this under DarkBASIC Professional :
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Make Object Cube 1, 64
Texture Object 1, 4
Ghost Object On 1
Wait Key
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DBMakeObjectCube( 1, 64 )
DBTextureObject( 1, 4 )
DBGhost ObjectOn( 1 )
DBWaitKey()
More to this, I can easily (using internal tools I keep secret :p) add support for various plugins already available for DarkBASIC Professional. The potential is ... simply .... enormous.
You want to create a command to return for example the sign of a value ?
DarkBASIC Professional source code :
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Function Sign( Value )
Retour = Value / Abs( Value )
EndFunction Retour
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ProcedureCDLL.l DBSign( Value.l )
Retour.l = Value / Abs( Value )
ProcedureReturn Retour
EndProcedure
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1, "Sign[%LL%DBSign%Value As Integer"
VALUESIGN = Sign( VALUE )
So easy :p
the benefits are also enormous :p
1. Up to 10% speed increase for some programs
2. Keep your procedure secret when you release your DLL (instead of releasing DarkBASIC Professional source code
)3. Make DarkBASIC Professional become more powerful and support more thing easily.
Here is what PurePLUGIN is and why it is a commercial product
For a final note, I did never talked about PurePLUGIN here because I didn't think it can interest you all that seem to think that DarkBASIC Professional is so bad... Simply take a look at some projects at TheGameCreators, you'll see that DarkBASIC Professional can be really interesting, even for big projects.
I really love PureBASIC for its capabilities (and more precisely DLL creation :p) and I really love DarkBASIC Professional for its simplicity and capabilities
I hope, I've enlightened your lanterns
Bye
Fred
Odyssey-Creators
http://www.odyssey-creators.com