ProGUI Library V0.58 Beta Released!

[rsts]

let the market determine what it's worth.

cheers

Still having a problem reading Brice?

[Dare]

Good on you, rsts.

* thumbs up *

Since you are sounding off... You are in OZ, right? Would you pay 48 AUD for this?

lol.

"Sounding off" kudus belong elsewhere in this thread.

[Brice Manuel]

Still having a problem reading Brice?

Do you? I am not the one who called it a rip off. He has the right to charge whatever he wants. IMHO its over priced (and I am part of his market), but others may not feel that way. It is good work either way

Dare: Your refusal to answer the question speaks volumes

[Dare]

Dare: Your refusal to answer the question speaks volumes

Interesting presumption.

I can hardly be pro or con after supporting the voice of moderation and reason.


BTW, it might shock you to know just what I have bought (and who supplied these things) from people on these forums. The $ cost is not everything. The value of a product lies many things, including areas such as convenience and stability (and sometimes even emotions - think fast red sports cars).

[srod]

.. You don't work for nothing, that's your choice, just don't be surprised though when you get reactions like this from passionate indie coders who don't consider programming 'work'. These are the people who you are trying to make your sales off of afterall.

Why are you so rankled by the thought of someone trying to make some kind of return from his efforts and hard work? I don't see anyone forcing you to make a purchase or even trial this material out.

The guy looks to be a skilled coder and as such I would have thought he'd be made more than welcome in these forums.

You think being an 'indie' programmer entitles you to free copies of everything produced in this language? How Fred even dare's contemplate charging for Purebasic is beyond me then, after all we are mere 'indie' programmers indulging in a hobby right? Consider some of the tools used to create Purebasic; FASM - free and open source, Pelle's C and linker - free. Ah crap, Fred I want my money back - now!!!

Truth is Fred could and should charge more for Purebasic, quite a lot more imo.

The fact that you begrudge PrincieD and presumably anyone else who's ever made a charge for a piece of software developed in PB (myself included) from making such charges, but register no complaint to Fred for charging for Purebasic is, in my opnion, contradictory and inconsistent.

Even more so when you consider the amount of commercial software produced by developers using free languages. Look at all the free c / c++ compilers floating around! You think all the developers using these languages never charge for their work?

So you don't program for a living, you program for a hobby. Well great, I applaud that, it's a great hobby. Even better if you can afford never to make any kind of charge for your hard work, when the truth is that some of us cannot quite afford that luxury. I write software 'cause I love it and love Purebasic. I release as much as I am able to for free, but there is a point (being self employed) beyond which I do have to make a charge. Either that or go back to shovelling coal for a living and being forced to sell my computer and granny for scrap!

No, I wouldn't normally get involved in this kind of exchange, particularly when I have no right to interfere like this with PrincieD's product announcement (for which I apologise) but I found this response quite sad.

Flame off!

rsts, good on you laddie!

[eesau]

Good looking menus

[PrincieD]

rsts, Dare, Tipperton, srod Thank you for your support! it means a lot to know that there are people here who appreciate the time and work gone into this lib thats what makes it worthwhile and thanks for the other kind comments as well

Some of my registered users requested Office XP, 2003 etc.. style menus a while back and the framework has taken a long time to complete with complex owner drawing, callbacks and hooks. However adding new menu styles should be fairly quick to implement now due to the framework being in place. Expect to see Office 2003, 2007, Whidbey styles soon after exams

btw I'm a graphic designer as well as programmer, thats why my menus look good! hehe

[Heathen]

Why are you so rankled by the thought of someone trying to make some kind of return from his efforts and hard work? I don't see anyone forcing you to make a purchase or even trial this material out.

The guy looks to be a skilled coder and as such I would have thought he'd be made more than welcome in these forums.

You think being an 'indie' programmer entitles you to free copies of everything produced in this language? How Fred even dare's contemplate charging for Purebasic is beyond me then, after all we are mere 'indie' programmers indulging in a hobby right? Consider some of the tools used to create Purebasic; FASM - free and open source, Pelle's C and linker - free. Ah crap, Fred I want my money back - now!!!

Looks like you either didn't read my reply or didn't get the point. The point is not that he is selling pb software, the point is what he is selling, the price of it and who he is trying to sell it to. I would expect the same response if instead of sharing simple example code, I compile it as a dll and try to sell it to people who share code on a regular basis for the price of some commercial software. But that is my opinion. Using the word "rip off" was probably the wrong term since he's not really ripping people off, so I apologize for that.

[srod]

The main point I picked up on, although I perhaps didn't make it clear in my post, was your problem with whom he is trying to sell it to?

Whom, other than PB developers, would he be selling his library to exactly?

And your continued assertion that he is basically selling revamped example code stretches things a little far I would say.

Apart from eesau's menu example, there is no other office type menu code floating around these forums which even comes close to what PrincieD has achieved. Indeed, such menu code is very complex because of the undocumented api calls involved and the 'wayward' hooking required.

[eesau]

Apart from eesau's menu example, there is no other office type menu code floating around these forums which even comes close to what PrincieD has achieved. Indeed, such menu code is very complex because of the undocumented api calls involved and the 'wayward' hooking required.

I agree -- I for one know exactly how involved doing those kind of menus is. It's extremely hard work, and PrincieD seems to have pulled it off really well! Too bad $40 is too much for me personally.

[Brice Manuel]

PrincieD: To reaffirm, I have never thought it should be free! You have done good work and deserve to charge whatever you want. Just finishing something to sell is more than most people will ever do

Using the word "rip off" was probably the wrong term since he's not really ripping people off, so I apologize for that.

I think that was wrong and your other words somehwat imply he was selling code freely found on the forums. This is why I have tried to distant myself from your comments.

The main point I picked up on, although I perhaps didn't make it clear in my post, was your problem with whom he is trying to sell it to?

True, supply and demand. Smaller market makes for higher prices.

[DoubleDutch]

PrincieD: Your registration/buy now doesn't work on vista (works fine on XP).

Is the DLL compatible with Windows below XP? If not, do you have any plans to support non-XP windows in future?

I'm just asking because I've decided to purchase (as ApplePanic) and need to know incase I need to keep my own draw code in for non-xp machines.

[Fangbeast]

Looks good PrincieD. I can't afford bugger all any more, struggling to survive but I don't mind saving up the sheckels for some really good looking and useful stuff like this.

Heck, this would make even my crappy interfaces sexy as hell!!

/me wanders off to sell his body again to make some dollars.

[Dare]

/me wanders off to sell his body again to make some dollars.

I donated my body to Vinnies. But they gave it back. They're only interested in functional second hand stuff ....

This has irritated my wife no end because she thought she was finally rid of it. Now she's making wheelie-bin suggestions.

[PrincieD]

PrincieD: Your registration/buy now doesn't work on vista (works fine on XP).

Is the DLL compatible with Windows below XP? If not, do you have any plans to support non-XP windows in future?

I'm just asking because I've decided to purchase (as ApplePanic) and need to know incase I need to keep my own draw code in for non-xp machines.

ProGUI should work with Windows 98 however there could be some API calls not supported by 95. It might be a good idea to leave your none xp code intact until I investigate further.